Michigan Democratic Primary Rules-Certified Vote Changed

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Care4all

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I woke up this morning, feeling even worse about what is going on in my country regarding the votes of the people, than I did after the Bush v. Gore fiasco was over....though Bush v. Gore is close. I feel this way because it was MY PARTY that was causing the Fiasco and CHANGING THE RULES MIDSTREAM THEMSELVES.

I am not sure if you guys are aware that the uncommitted vote, in the Michigan Primary was governed by certain Michigan Primary Rules, put in place before their primary began.

Each Candidate, was aware of those rules and sent a copy of those rules when they were made.

Here is the Cover letter and News release that the Democratic party sent out to their members:

News from
THE MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Jason Moon
517-371-5410
December 10, 2007

MDP Releases Voter Guide To Help Voters Understand Presidential Primary

LANSING – Today the Michigan Democratic Party released a voter guide to help voters understand the January 15, 2008 Democratic Presidential Primary.


“We want every eligible Democratic voter in Michigan to vote in the January 15, 2008 Democratic Presidential Primary,” said MDP Chair Mark Brewer. “This guide gives voters the details of the Primary and all of their voting rights so that every Michigan Democrat can participate in helping choose the 2008 Democratic presidential candidate. The guide is available on our website and we encourage voters to circulate it.”




Read the guide on the Internet here>
____________________________________________________________________________________________
Voter Guide On The January 15, 2008
Michigan Democratic Presidential Primary

1. Voters will vote at their regular polling places between 7 A.M. and 8 P.M.

2. Voters can vote by absentee ballot if they meet one of the requirements – out of town, age 60 or older, disability, etc.

3. The deadline to register to vote is 30 days before January 15, 2008 or December 17, 2007.

4. In order to vote at a polling place, a voter must show a photo ID or sign a statement that they do not have a photo ID with them. Absentee voters do not have to produce a photo ID.

5. Voters will be asked whether they want a Democratic or Republican ballot, and a record will be made of which ballot they take.

6. The voter’s choice of candidate will be secret as in all public elections.

7. The Democratic ballot will have 6 choices:
Hillary Clinton
Christopher Dodd
Mike Gravel
Dennis Kucinich
Uncommitted
Write-in

8. A vote for “uncommitted” is a vote to send delegates to the Democratic National Convention who are not committed or pledged to any candidate. Those delegates can vote for any candidate they choose at the Convention.

9. Supporters of Joe Biden, John Edwards, Barack Obama and Bill Richardson are urged to vote “uncommitted” instead of writing in their candidates’ names because write-in votes for those candidates will not be counted.

###
Paid for by the Michigan Democratic State Central Committee, 606 Townsend St., Lansing, MI 48933. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee.
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So then i read that not Only did Obama CHOOSE to take his name off the ballot volluntarily but he didn't even fill out the application for him to be eligible for COMMITTED delegates to himself, via a write in vote. (This WAS ALL a CALCULATED POLITICAL DECISION on the Obama camp's part)

http://www.woodtv.com/global/story.asp?s=7579960

And then I read that Obama is in one of the Early states that he made a pledge to, Iowa, out there campaigning that he was 'On their side, with banning Michigan, he even withdrew his name for them, because they are the citizens that deserve the elitist right to choose our president' paraphrased.

Then I read article after article and blog after blog on bashing Hillary for NOT removing her name.. Obamaites sent in to Petition and Contest the results of the fricking primary that Obama chose to pull his name off of in April, that Hillary violated rules for having campaign fund raisers and for not pulling her name off the ballot...yes a Legal meneuver alla Bush....

9. Petitioners assert that the Reg. 3.4.C time for filing does not begin running until
the list of selected delegates is published. In any case, the petition will be filed
prior to the final action of the Michigan Democratic Party on May 17, 2008.
10. Petitioners allege the pledged delegates and alternates do not fairly reflect the
expressed presidential preferences of convention participants on April 19, 2008.
11. Petitioners allege the unpledged and pledged party leaders and elected official
(PLEO) delegates did not abide by approved DNC Rules, resulting in the
unsanctioned presidential primary. Their actions have injured petitioners.
12. Petitioners allege the PLEO delegates are not selected by approved DNC Rules,
specifically Rules 9.C and 9.D. This action will injure petitioners.
13. Petitioners allege the Clinton campaign failed to abide by approved DNC Rules,
specifically Rule 20.C(1)(b). Their actions have injured petitioners.
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But the votes went to certification by their Secretary of state and went on to the DNC by the May 17th RULE cut off date...

Official count:

http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/08PPR/01000000.html

NOW, going back to what Michigan Democratic Party has in their rules and the DNC ALSO has in their rules on Uncommitted Votes:

8. A vote for “uncommitted” is a vote to send delegates to the Democratic National Convention who are not committed or pledged to any candidate. Those delegates can vote for any candidate they choose at the Convention.

The Rules and Bylaws committee yesterday, made a decision to take the Michigan State, legally Certified votes, and CHANGED THIS RULE on Uncommitted Delegates that Hillary was counting on to capture more uncommitted delegates of Biden's and Edward's and others that dropped out or were left in the LEGAL COLUMN OF UNCOMMITTED VOTES, absolutely in the 11th HOUR , yesterday, which is what the Obama legal team was SHOOTING for....the disenfranchisement of legal votes and the reallocation of legal votes CASTED in the Hillary column, AND they THREW OUT the Michigan Legal Rule Governing Uncommitted votes and gave ALL OF THOSE SUPPOSEDLY UNCOMMITTED VOTES that were up for grabs legally BY THE RULES OF THEIR PRIMARY ELECTION, to COMMITTED VOTES ALL IN OBAMA'S DELEGATE COLUMN yesterday.

Then on TOP of this egrecious act and violation of their own party rules for Uncommitted votes, they took the actual votes casted in this Primary and reallocated the ACTUAL Citizen's vote based on a exit poll from oblivion which resulted in TAKING AWAY 4 actual pledged delegates that the Citizens gave to Hillary and that was certified already as Hillary's.

NOW, this was the OBAMA TEAM STABBING HILLARY IN THE BACK AND TWISTING THE KNIFE AS SAYING IT WAS A FAIR DECISION.

He could have taken the high ground and been diplomatic and given Hillary the votes that she DESERVED AND GOT THRU THE ACTUAL VOTES CASTED by individual citizens,

since he already used the male dominated DNC machine and Lawyers to finagle them in to giving HIM all of the uncommitted votes and transfering them ALL in to COMMITTED PLEDGED DELEGATES IN HIS COLUMN, after the legal certification of otherwise.... which gave him 45 pledged delegates officially added to his column OVERNIGHT, and thru BREAKING THE ACTUAL RULES OF THE DNC FOR UNCOMMITTED DELEGATES,

Taking away, the opportunity for Hillary to capture those uncommitted votes in to her column...which may NOT have been likely, HOWEVER he slapped her and her constituants in the face and thru the old boys club and his lawyers, he managed to CHANGE THE RULES and to play the System so to eliminate his Opponent thru Technicalities and thru disenfranchisement of the actual voters.

I don't KNOW WHERE the Michigan Democrats got the polls they used to actually TAKE THE VOTE OF THE CITIZEN AWAY FROM THEM and recalculate what they THINK THEY MEANT other than their vote that they casted, and then take VOTES THAT HILLARY ACTUALLY GOT and give THEM TO OBAMA.....

Breaking the fundamental Rule of the Democratic Party and Democracy in general, one man, one vote casted and that the Privacy of our vote is SACRED and ours alone to make....

Obama was polling around 22% prior to the election and Hillary 58%, Biden and Edwards were in there somewhere too.

Hillary got about 58% in the Actual Vote of the Citizen...and looking at the demographics of white verses black verses female verses male was the actual trend at the time....

REMEMBER, this was early on and a January 15th Primaryin Michigan.... before obama started the trend of winning on super tuesday, and this is when they legally had their primary...

TO COME IN NOW, and try to make it like Obama would have gotten more votes if his name was on the ballot, THAT HE CHOSE FOR POLITICAL POSTURING, taking his name off the ballot and not applying for a write in position via their laws, is changing the actual vote that the citizen's casted, on that date.

THIS IS WHAT THE OBAMA TEAM FOUGHT FOR and was holding out for...his first choice was that Michigan would not count at all...this wiping out delegates that he KNEW would go to Hillary at that time because she was polling way ahead...(the trend of his knocking out opponents thru legalities and disenfranchisement of the citizen vote)

THEN. his team wanted all of the uncommitted votes by rules and certified by law to be changed in to Pledged delegates for him...then he wanted all of the votes that were actual cast, and CHANGE THEM to favor his column again.

WELL , my dear friends, that to me is one of the MOST unethical things that a group of politicians could do, ACTUAL CHANGE THE CITIZEN'S PRIVATE VOTE, and add them to another person.


Here is polls right prior and after their primary election:

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/midem8-706.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225987

bottom line, what happened yesterday at the DNC rules and bylaws committee was one of the SCUMMIEST, ELITIST,UNETHICAL THINGS THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN A POLITICAL PARTY OR CANDIDATE DO....

AND it undermines the fundamental basis of Democracy.

ANOTHER SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008#cite_note-8
 
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You are claiming Obama planned all this way in advance?

When the early primaries took place Clinton was considered a shoe in Care.

The thing that changed her from being a shoe in is the massive democratic support from people who are untraditional democratic voters. People who have either never taken part in our process or who have had problems with the party and left it over the years.

We are at a very important time Care. The party needs to come together.

Clinton signed the agreement on how to deal with these states too. Then she decided to not withdrawl even though all the other Dems did. Not just Obama but all the others. Bac oosted a Mi rule that stated if over the 15% mark the Undeclaired voters got to have delegates. I was an undeclaired delegate for my state and these people changed the outcome of the Nevada state primary. Clintons slight at the outcome would have disenfranchised people who like me wanted someone other than Clinton because we had problems with her Lobby money and the fact that she is too engrained in the politics of the past. Then low and behold she is playing old school politics now with people like me in Mi.
 
Desh said:
You are claiming Obama planned all this way in advance?

When the early primaries took place Clinton was considered a shoe in Care.

The thing that changed her from being a shoe in is the massive democratic support from people who are untraditional democratic voters. People who have either never taken part in our process or who have had problems with the party and left it over the years.

We are at a very important time Care. The party needs to come together.

Clinton signed the agreement on how to deal with these states too. Then she decided to not withdrawl even though all the other Dems did. Not just Obama but all the others. Bac oosted a Mi rule that stated if over the 15% mark the Undeclaired voters got to have delegates. I was an undeclaired delegate for my state and these people changed the outcome of the Nevada state primary. Clintons slight at the outcome would have disenfranchised people who like me wanted someone other than Clinton because we had problems with her Lobby money and the fact that she is too engrained in the politics of the past. Then low and behold she is playing old school politics now with people like me in Mi.
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Yes Desh, Care is saying that Obama planned this all way in advance. Which is exactly what YOU AND BAC seem to be saying clinton did!

LMAO.

The truth? You both ascribe the most evil motives to the other candidate, and you both seem to think they're evil geniuses.

Neither of them planned this. Neither of them could have. Hillary lost this in February, she would have won it if this was the repuke winner take all system, on Super Tuesday. They ran a winner take all campaign in a proportional primary. Obama has only won 6 out of the last 13 primaries, and her supporters are pissed, because they look at that and see her as getting stronger. Meanwhile, NATIONAL polls among democrats indicate she's actually getting weaker.

Meanwhile meanwhile - the race is over, Obama is our nominee, vote for him don't vote for him, stay home, vote for McCain, whatever, nothing is going to change this: Obama is the nominee.

It's over.
 
so all the other candiates removed their name to Game Mi and Clinton stayed on the ballot for what reason?
 
Desh said:
so all the other candiates removed their name to Game Mi and Clinton stayed on the ballot for what reason?
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So that she could declare victory in Michigan, which if you remember she did, even calling a press conference to do so. But she didn't see this far ahead, to be able to plan this. It's funny that you dismiss Care's notion that Obama could have done just that, as ludicrous. But you really believe, that Hillary did it

Do you see how someone like me Desh, who is not passionate over either of them, can find this really funny?
 
Desh said:
You are claiming Obama planned all this way in advance?

yes, i know he did, all candidates took all scenarios in to consideration, they are a political campaign team and their consultants are paid to do such.

When the early primaries took place Clinton was considered a shoe in Care.

When this Primary took place, according to the date in Michigan Law, on January 15th, when their citizens LEGALLY VOTED BY LAW, this was NOT the case Desh and it is unethical and illegal to change someone's vote that they casted.

And the Day that the person casted the vote is the day that counts, NOT HOW SOME AMERICANS ARE FEELING OR THINKING IN AFTERTHOUGHT for goodness sakes, should all states be allowed to go back and change the vote they casted 3 months ago to where they are now mentally?

The thing that changed her from being a shoe in is the massive democratic support from people who are untraditional democratic voters. People who have either never taken part in our process or who have had problems with the party and left it over the years.

AND ALSO, I might remind you, the people that do NOT come out to the polls and vote, traditionally, on election day and the people that have the LEAST amount of experience with politicians and how our government really run other than what school and a little time in the Adult arena has given them is this same revitalized youth.

We are at a very important time Care. The party needs to come together.

Obama had his chance for that yesterday, but he went for the jugular...and he fundamentally cheated to garner the vote change that he got from this yesterday and whose team was fighting for with all of his insiders, and who actually got all that he UNFAIRLY wanted.

And he stole citizen's actual votes to do this, along with stealing 4 measly delegates from Hillary, which was the knife twisting and turning.

If he really wanted to come together, he could have agreed to following the Rules of the game that were in place when the election took place and honoring instead of disenfranchising, the voters actual casted vote, in Michigan....

He is WAY AHEAD of Clinton, taking those addition 4 delegates from her column in addition to getting the DNC to change the rule regarding uncommitted delegates giving him 45 pledged delegates overnight that he did earn nor get through the citizen's vote...

Slapped all of us, every single citizen believing in fairness and democracy out there, in the face...

I am sorry you can't see this desh.... :(

Clinton signed the agreement on how to deal with these states too. Then she decided to not withdrawl even though all the other Dems did. Not just Obama but all the others. Bac oosted a Mi rule that stated if over the 15% mark the Undeclaired voters got to have delegates. I was an undeclaired delegate for my state and these people changed the outcome of the Nevada state primary. Clintons slight at the outcome would have disenfranchised people who like me wanted someone other than Clinton because we had problems with her Lobby money and the fact that she is too engrained in the politics of the past. Then low and behold she is playing old school politics now with people like me in Mi.
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Sorry Desh, that is purely a LIE....

She, nor any of the Candidates signed a pledge on how to deal with these states with the DNC, though the DNC had their own rules governing these situations of which they themselves violated by taking away all of the delegates in the first place, because the rules allowed for half of the delegates to be stripped from them but not their full delegation.

It is an absolute LIE of the OBAMITES to continue to pass on that they agreed to take their mname off of the ballot per their Pledges.

LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE......And you should know better Desh, with all of the information that you read daily, though I am realizing now that you only read from Obama supporting media.

OBAMA CHOSE for his own political posturing with the Early states to take his name off the ballot AND MOST IMPORTANTLY because he knew he was losing BIGTIME in this state and it looked better and was better for his political reasons, to take his name off and to PRAY LIKE HELL that Michigan never gets their votes to count....that was his position....in order to beat Hillary.

Hillary felt that the people of Michigan deserved to have someone on the ballot, she took the PROPER AND RIGHT DECISION, unlike OBAMA....and she knew the stakes in the General for the DNC ruling.

She signed nothing with the DNC, but respected it, and their reasoning regarding states moving up, but she always knew that according to the rules, the states would have their opportunity to appeal to the DNC, which was that meeting that was on the scedule for May 31st, SO DID OBAMA KNOW that the votes of the michigan and florida voters would eventually be seated by at least half.

They signed a pledge with the Early primary states not to Campaign in Michigan and Florida with Ads, meeting with the press, or the public...Campaign fund raisers EXCLUDED....THAT'S IT.

All other political strategic moves were done by the candidates...hillary took the chance that the rules committee yesterday would seat delegates from those states and Obama took the initial stance that they should not get the opportunity to count and took his name off the ballot.


care
 
Desh said:
so all the other candiates removed their name to Game Mi and Clinton stayed on the ballot for what reason?
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ALL other candidates did not remove their names, edwards, Biden and Obama did for their own political reasons such as Hillary was kicking their butts with the voters of that state supporting her...

Gavel, and Kuscinich and Dodd were also on the ballot with Hillary...

IT WAS NOT A RULE to take one's name off the ballot, it was a political move on each candidates part that did it...

Hillary should not be punished for what Obama CHOSE TO DO FOR HIMSELF AND HIS CAMPAIGN, not for any other reason.
 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x115322

Here she goes again.
On Sept. 1 2007, she accepted and signed the DNC rules barring any other states having a primary earlier than the specified date. She did agree upon it before the election and now because she is losing, she wants them counted?
What about your signed pleadge? -
on MI and FL votes.

DNC Chairman Howard Dean
Letter to Democratic Presidential Candidates
August 31, 2007

As the leader of the Democratic Party, I strongly urge you to adhere to the 2008 Delegate Selection Rules...
The 2008 Delegate Selection Rules adopted by the full DNC at its August 2006 meeting clearly provide that only 4 states - Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina - may hold their respective contests prior to February 5, 2008. The findings of Non-Compliance included a 100% loss of pledged and unpledged delegates.


Hillary Clinton Campaign
September 1, 2007

Clinton Campaign
Statement On The
Four State Pledge

We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.
Added: April 06, 2008
 
The truth? You both ascribe the most evil motives to the other candidate, and you both seem to think they're evil geniuses.
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It's the Kool-aid. It has that effect on them. Bush is the dumbest president we've ever had in history, at the same time... evil genius! It never made any sense to me, they tried to make it sound like Cheney was the evil genius, but everyone knows the VP has little power to shape presidential policy, even Bush in all his dumbness would know that.
 
No Bush is Cheneys stupid monkey marrionette and Cheney is the evil genius.

Man Dix I thought for sure you would have gotten that one down after all these years?
 
Care4all said:
I woke up this morning, feeling even worse about what is going on in my country regarding the votes of the people, than I did after the Bush v. Gore fiasco was over....though Bush v. Gore is close. I feel this way because it was MY PARTY that was causing the Fiasco and CHANGING THE RULES MIDSTREAM THEMSELVES.

I am not sure if you guys are aware that the uncommitted vote, in the Michigan Primary was governed by certain Michigan Primary Rules, put in place before their primary began.

Each Candidate, was aware of those rules and sent a copy of those rules when they were made.

Here is the Cover letter and News release that the Democratic party sent out to their members:




So then i read that not Only did Obama CHOOSE to take his name off the ballot volluntarily but he didn't even fill out the application for him to be eligible for COMMITTED delegates to himself, via a write in vote. (This WAS ALL a CALCULATED POLITICAL DECISION on the Obama camp's part)

http://www.woodtv.com/global/story.asp?s=7579960

And then I read that Obama is in one of the Early states that he made a pledge to, Iowa, out there campaigning that he was 'On their side, with banning Michigan, he even withdrew his name for them, because they are the citizens that deserve the elitist right to choose our president' paraphrased.

Then I read article after article and blog after blog on bashing Hillary for NOT removing her name.. Obamaites sent in to Petition and Contest the results of the fricking primary that Obama chose to pull his name off of in April, that Hillary violated rules for having campaign fund raisers and for not pulling her name off the ballot...yes a Legal meneuver alla Bush....

9. Petitioners assert that the Reg. 3.4.C time for filing does not begin running until
the list of selected delegates is published. In any case, the petition will be filed
prior to the final action of the Michigan Democratic Party on May 17, 2008.
10. Petitioners allege the pledged delegates and alternates do not fairly reflect the
expressed presidential preferences of convention participants on April 19, 2008.
11. Petitioners allege the unpledged and pledged party leaders and elected official
(PLEO) delegates did not abide by approved DNC Rules, resulting in the
unsanctioned presidential primary. Their actions have injured petitioners.
12. Petitioners allege the PLEO delegates are not selected by approved DNC Rules,
specifically Rules 9.C and 9.D. This action will injure petitioners.
13. Petitioners allege the Clinton campaign failed to abide by approved DNC Rules,
specifically Rule 20.C(1)(b). Their actions have injured petitioners.
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But the votes went to certification by their Secretary of state and went on to the DNC by the May 17th RULE cut off date...

Official count:

http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/08PPR/01000000.html

NOW, going back to what Michigan Democratic Party has in their rules and the DNC ALSO has in their rules on Uncommitted Votes:

8. A vote for “uncommitted” is a vote to send delegates to the Democratic National Convention who are not committed or pledged to any candidate. Those delegates can vote for any candidate they choose at the Convention.

The Rules and Bylaws committee yesterday, made a decision to take the Michigan State, legally Certified votes, and CHANGED THIS RULE on Uncommitted Delegates that Hillary was counting on to capture more uncommitted delegates of Biden's and Edward's and others that dropped out or were left in the LEGAL COLUMN OF UNCOMMITTED VOTES, absolutely in the 11th HOUR , yesterday, which is what the Obama legal team was SHOOTING for....the disenfranchisement of legal votes and the reallocation of legal votes CASTED in the Hillary column, AND they THREW OUT the Michigan Legal Rule Governing Uncommitted votes and gave ALL OF THOSE SUPPOSEDLY UNCOMMITTED VOTES that were up for grabs legally BY THE RULES OF THEIR PRIMARY ELECTION, to COMMITTED VOTES ALL IN OBAMA'S DELEGATE COLUMN yesterday.

Then on TOP of this egrecious act and violation of their own party rules for Uncommitted votes, they took the actual votes casted in this Primary and reallocated the ACTUAL Citizen's vote based on a exit poll from oblivion which resulted in TAKING AWAY 4 actual pledged delegates that the Citizens gave to Hillary and that was certified already as Hillary's.

NOW, this was the OBAMA TEAM STABBING HILLARY IN THE BACK AND TWISTING THE KNIFE AS SAYING IT WAS A FAIR DECISION.

He could have taken the high ground and been diplomatic and given Hillary the votes that she DESERVED AND GOT THRU THE ACTUAL VOTES CASTED by individual citizens,

since he already used the male dominated DNC machine and Lawyers to finagle them in to giving HIM all of the uncommitted votes and transfering them ALL in to COMMITTED PLEDGED DELEGATES IN HIS COLUMN, after the legal certification of otherwise.... which gave him 45 pledged delegates officially added to his column OVERNIGHT, and thru BREAKING THE ACTUAL RULES OF THE DNC FOR UNCOMMITTED DELEGATES,

Taking away, the opportunity for Hillary to capture those uncommitted votes in to her column...which may NOT have been likely, HOWEVER he slapped her and her constituants in the face and thru the old boys club and his lawyers, he managed to CHANGE THE RULES and to play the System so to eliminate his Opponent thru Technicalities and thru disenfranchisement of the actual voters.

I don't KNOW WHERE the Michigan Democrats got the polls they used to actually TAKE THE VOTE OF THE CITIZEN AWAY FROM THEM and recalculate what they THINK THEY MEANT other than their vote that they casted, and then take VOTES THAT HILLARY ACTUALLY GOT and give THEM TO OBAMA.....

Breaking the fundamental Rule of the Democratic Party and Democracy in general, one man, one vote casted and that the Privacy of our vote is SACRED and ours alone to make....

Obama was polling around 22% prior to the election and Hillary 58%, Biden and Edwards were in there somewhere too.

Hillary got about 58% in the Actual Vote of the Citizen...and looking at the demographics of white verses black verses female verses male was the actual trend at the time....

REMEMBER, this was early on and a January 15th Primaryin Michigan.... before obama started the trend of winning on super tuesday, and this is when they legally had their primary...

TO COME IN NOW, and try to make it like Obama would have gotten more votes if his name was on the ballot, THAT HE CHOSE FOR POLITICAL POSTURING, taking his name off the ballot and not applying for a write in position via their laws, is changing the actual vote that the citizen's casted, on that date.

THIS IS WHAT THE OBAMA TEAM FOUGHT FOR and was holding out for...his first choice was that Michigan would not count at all...this wiping out delegates that he KNEW would go to Hillary at that time because she was polling way ahead...(the trend of his knocking out opponents thru legalities and disenfranchisement of the citizen vote)

THEN. his team wanted all of the uncommitted votes by rules and certified by law to be changed in to Pledged delegates for him...then he wanted all of the votes that were actual cast, and CHANGE THEM to favor his column again.

WELL , my dear friends, that to me is one of the MOST unethical things that a group of politicians could do, ACTUAL CHANGE THE CITIZEN'S PRIVATE VOTE, and add them to another person.


Here is polls right prior and after their primary election:

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/midem8-706.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225987

bottom line, what happened yesterday at the DNC rules and bylaws committee was one of the SCUMMIEST, ELITIST,UNETHICAL THINGS THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN A POLITICAL PARTY OR CANDIDATE DO....

AND it undermines the fundamental basis of Democracy.

ANOTHER SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008#cite_note-8
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This sounds rather strongly of a Clinton partisan with a case of sour grapes.
 
I cant believe this is me telling Care this but here we go.

Care there is no such word as casted its they cast their votes.

The world has turned upsidedown when I find a reason to correct Care on a word.
 
Care, Obama ran a better campaign. Her people ran a campaign that would have made her the nominee under the Republican primary system. She got beat. Obama is the nominee.

If I end up having to listen to that crazy-eyed Minnie Mouse voiced McCain for four years because Hillary supporters want revenge, I am going to be looking for some myself.

Let go. She's done. She's not going to be President. She's just as calculating and political as Obama is. They both are. He ran the better campaign. It's over. I gag listening to the OBama can do no wrong and is going to save us all camp too. Try to block them out, or develop a sense of humor over it, because it can be funny.
 
Mottleydude said:
The fat lady has sung. It's time to get behind Obama, unless you want to see Robert Bork on the supreme court.
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Is abortion the only issue a woman can care about? Get in line bitch, or we'll take Roe.

My response? Kiss my ass. I don't give a fuck about Roe.
 
Oh I do but its not just Roe. If they get a chance to put more conserative politicains in place instead of judges who will defend the rights of Americans we may be in big trouble.
 
Desh said:
Oh I do but its not just Roe. If they get a chance to put more conserative politicains in place instead of judges who will defend the rights of Americans we may be in big trouble.
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Yes, but when "the court" is used in this context, it means, we'll take Roe. It's become like blackmail. I see it everywhere, for months now. Not even, "it's time to bring the party together unless you want McCain extending this war, thus causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and the suffering of God knows how many more". Nope. Roe.

Stick it. that's my answer. Not that many people like to be blackmailed.
 
Desh said:
I cant believe this is me telling Care this but here we go.

Care there is no such word as casted its they cast their votes.

The world has turned upsidedown when I find a reason to correct Care on a word.
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hahahahahaha....thank you desh, i really did not know!
 
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