Negotiations Continue to Go Nowhere as Europe Bashes Head Against Wall [Ukraine War] | Simplicius

Hawkeye10 said:
Scott said:
Well, I'm sure Russia will bring it up if they feel the need to. So far, it seems the main focus is where the new borders will be, and even that all depends on when Ukraine finally makes it's way to the serious negotiation table.
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The main point is what the main point has been for a decade, the end of NATO's aggression against Russia.

The Americans still not getting it perhaps are focused on borders.
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I think with Trump thinking of withdrawing from NATO, that point has become moot for now. Here's what Simplicius said about NATO in his article:
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Now [certain European nations] seek to explore a “UN”-sanctioned peacekeeping force, but the idea was quickly shot down by Zelensky himself, who shrank away from the idea of a UN-led, non-NATO peacekeeping mission because it would rob him of his opportunity to incite nuclear war between Russia and NATO via a false-flag induced Article 5:
[Video of Zelensky sinking the "UN-sanctioned peacekeeping force"]

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I find the first line in Zelensky's speech to be particularly hilarious and true:
"Regarding the UN - with all due respect the UN will not protect us."

Not if they do any BS false flag attacks, certainly. The fact that Russia is one of the five permanent members of the security council ensures that.

Anyway, continuing Simplicius' article:
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In short, the game has become clearer than ever: Russia and the US are working on ending the conflict by acknowledging first principles, and Ukraine and the UK seek to sabotage the peace in any way possible, in order to prolong the war and bleed Russia for as long as possible. Why? Because the longer the conflict can be prolonged, the greater the possibility of interlacing it with a broader one, by inciting Russia to attack the Baltics. The point of this war is to continually chip away at Russia, provoking its most existential security worries, until Russia bites back against the Baltics, Poland, etc. Then tying this off onto a major European war to destroy Russia once and for all.

Just look at the latest shtick coming from the European deep state:

Russia's attack on Lithuania is possible as early as this fall. This could be our last peaceful summer — BILD

Russia announced large-scale exercises in Belarus. The Baltic countries are concerned that during these exercises, Russian Armed Forces may cross the border. At the same time, NATO's Article 5, at least for the US, may cease to apply. Deterrence is weakening.
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So Europe recognizes that without the U.S. leading the NATO charge, NATO is basically just Europe and it's becoming increasingly obvious that Russia believes it doesn't need to worry too much about Europe.
 
Scott said:
I think with Trump thinking of withdrawing from NATO, that point has become moot for now. Here's what Simplicius said about NATO in his article:
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Now [certain European nations] seek to explore a “UN”-sanctioned peacekeeping force, but the idea was quickly shot down by Zelensky himself, who shrank away from the idea of a UN-led, non-NATO peacekeeping mission because it would rob him of his opportunity to incite nuclear war between Russia and NATO via a false-flag induced Article 5:
[Video of Zelensky sinking the "UN-sanctioned peacekeeping force"]

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I find the first line in Zelensky's speech to be particularly hilarious and true:
"Regarding the UN - with all due respect the UN will not protect us."

Not if they do any BS false flag attacks, certainly. The fact that Russia is one of the five permanent members of the security council ensures that.

Anyway, continuing Simplicius' article:
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In short, the game has become clearer than ever: Russia and the US are working on ending the conflict by acknowledging first principles, and Ukraine and the UK seek to sabotage the peace in any way possible, in order to prolong the war and bleed Russia for as long as possible. Why? Because the longer the conflict can be prolonged, the greater the possibility of interlacing it with a broader one, by inciting Russia to attack the Baltics. The point of this war is to continually chip away at Russia, provoking its most existential security worries, until Russia bites back against the Baltics, Poland, etc. Then tying this off onto a major European war to destroy Russia once and for all.

Just look at the latest shtick coming from the European deep state:


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So Europe recognizes that without the U.S. leading the NATO charge, NATO is basically just Europe and it's becoming increasingly obvious that Russia believes it doesn't need to worry too much about Europe.
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You are in "The Russians will do another sweetheart deal even after these last three years of Russian sacrifice, even though America never honors its word" territory. .

I doubt it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This charade that America is negotiating deal between Ukraine and Russia immediately runs into the fact that though it is a proxy war...we are using other armies to fight it....this is a war between Russia and NATO....and since the Europeans barely matter this is a war between Russia and America.

And that we demanded it, we demanded to assault Russia, we refused over a lot of years to negotiate a settlement to NATO aggression.

We lost, and Trump is desperate to avoid admitting that we lost.......how far the Russians are willing to let him skate with that we have yet to see.
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Trump's greatest asset here is that he wasn't the one that encouraged Ukraine to 'keep on fighting' back when Russia's military operation had just begun and Russia and Ukraine had almost made a peace deal:
www.thenation.com

The Lost Peace?

Russian-Ukrainian peace talks, February–March 2022.
www.thenation.com www.thenation.com

I'm pretty sure he actually brought this up, though ofcourse provided no citations, in a short speech he gave after the first talks with Russia in Saudi Arabia:
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“Today I heard, oh, well, we weren’t invited. Well, you’ve had a seat for three years, and a long time before that... You should have never started it. You could have made a deal,” Trump said.
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Source:
www.kyivpost.com

War Update: Trump Thought Initial Talks With Russia Went ‘Very Well’ – ‘You’ve Had a Seat at the Table for Three Years’

US President brushes off Zelensky’s complaints that he wasn’t invited; Rubio tells Ukraine and Europe their time at the table is soon; Kellogg in Kyiv on Thursday; Ukraine bristles at minerals deal.
www.kyivpost.com www.kyivpost.com

After Simplicius article that I referenced in the first post of this thread, I'm more hopeful than ever that Trump will end this war sooner rather than later.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Scott said:
I think with Trump thinking of withdrawing from NATO, that point has become moot for now. Here's what Simplicius said about NATO in his article:
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Now [certain European nations] seek to explore a “UN”-sanctioned peacekeeping force, but the idea was quickly shot down by Zelensky himself, who shrank away from the idea of a UN-led, non-NATO peacekeeping mission because it would rob him of his opportunity to incite nuclear war between Russia and NATO via a false-flag induced Article 5:
[Video of Zelensky sinking the "UN-sanctioned peacekeeping force"]

**


I find the first line in Zelensky's speech to be particularly hilarious and true:
"Regarding the UN - with all due respect the UN will not protect us."

Not if they do any BS false flag attacks, certainly. The fact that Russia is one of the five permanent members of the security council ensures that.

Anyway, continuing Simplicius' article:
**
In short, the game has become clearer than ever: Russia and the US are working on ending the conflict by acknowledging first principles, and Ukraine and the UK seek to sabotage the peace in any way possible, in order to prolong the war and bleed Russia for as long as possible. Why? Because the longer the conflict can be prolonged, the greater the possibility of interlacing it with a broader one, by inciting Russia to attack the Baltics. The point of this war is to continually chip away at Russia, provoking its most existential security worries, until Russia bites back against the Baltics, Poland, etc. Then tying this off onto a major European war to destroy Russia once and for all.

Just look at the latest shtick coming from the European deep state:


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So Europe recognizes that without the U.S. leading the NATO charge, NATO is basically just Europe and it's becoming increasingly obvious that Russia believes it doesn't need to worry too much about Europe.
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You are in "The Russians will do another sweetheart deal even after these last three years of Russian sacrifice, even though America never honors its word" territory. .

I doubt it.
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Oh no, I don't think that at all. As you may remember, Simplicius pointed to the following Reuters article:

Only -if- Trump does this would Putin consider letting Ukraine keep Odessa and other regions that it hasn't even taken yet. Left unsaid is that Ukraine would ofcourse have to agree as well. As far as I'm concerned, Putin is playing hard ball, while couching his words politely.
 
A suspected Russian traitor has been taken into custody for allegedly transmitting classified information to Ukraine, the Federal Security Service (FSB) has announced.

A brief statement on Monday identified the suspect as an employee of the central office of a Russian agency responsible for overseeing government operations.

Last year, he allegedly reached out to the Ukrainian government, offering “information about efforts to protect industrial and energy sites in the border areas of the Russian Federation,” as well as details on troop deployments.
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www.rt.com

Russian official arrested for leaking to Kiev – FSB

Russia’s Federal Security Service has reported the arrest of an official who is accused of leaking classified information to Ukraine
www.rt.com www.rt.com

VERY interesting....especially given the timing.

Did the Americans tell the Russians?
 
YA. I understand Trump pretty well, I have been at least sort of following him since 1983 when my dad met him at Trump Tower and got a tour....my dad was a salesman.....his company flew him to NY to met Trump as an atta boy.

My dad was top new salesman of the year.

2 years 2 months later he was dead.

at 47.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
YA. I understand Trump pretty well, I have been at least sort of following him since 1983 when my dad met him at Trump Tower and got a tour....my dad was a salesman.....his company flew him to NY to met Trump as an atta boy.

My dad was top new salesman of the year.

2 years 2 months later he was dead.

at 47.
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Any idea why he died?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The sense that I get is that the Russians intend to finish taking their 4 oblasts, shut down the parties in Kiev, and drive their army towards Kiev this summer.....a crushing blow that will take the fight out of the Ukrainians....something that a lot of Russians have been waiting for for a long time.

Maybe they can be talked out of it, with the proper deal, as unlikely as that is to happen.
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Kiev is simply symbolic. Odesa wins the war.
 
Scott said:
Any idea why he died?
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Not exactly, they did not have the right test then, they do know.

Is abdominal cavity was full of scar tissue, his organs were fused together.

He has spent the better part of year with doctors trying to figure it out, they finally decided to open him up....they tooks a little look around, closed him up, and he died two days later.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The Rump of Ukraine needs to include Odessa if it is to have any hope economically some think.

And the Russians REALLY dont want to level it.

We'll See.
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That's right, common knowledge. Even a feint to attack Kiev is hardly worth while.
 
moon said:
That's right, common knowledge. Even a feint to attack Kiev is hardly worth while.
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You might be wrong about that......the Ukrainian elites are highly concerned about the parties being shut down and the restaurants not being open.....they are almost all in Kiev.....and they have gobs of money to spend.
 
According to The Duran the Kursk Gambit had three main goals:

1) Nuclear terrorism in getting the electric plant and an alleged ammo dump of nuclear weapons.

2) Grab Russian land to trade .

3) Keep Russians occupied in the area and change the line of the front in such a way that it keeps the Russians away from Kiev.
 
Scott said:
Yes, Putin just said that if Ukraine gets serious about peace negotiations now, it can pretty much keep everything it doesn't yet have. But Putin's made it clear that this time window is short- Ukraine doesn't have time to dig in.
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Believing Putin on anything is just insane, he's a megacunt!
 
Jarod said:
24 hours after being elected.
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Yes, Trump frequently promises more than he delivers, but he is at least putting a good amount of effort in diplomacy when it comes to the war in Ukraine at this point, something that Biden never did.
 
Scott said:
Yes, Trump frequently promises more than he delivers, but he is at least putting a good amount of effort in diplomacy when it comes to the war in Ukraine at this point, something that Biden never did.
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Trump is a Russian stooge.
 
Hume said:
Trump is a Russian stooge.
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No, but certain powerful interests have certainly tried to paint him as such. A good article on the subject that was published a bit after Russia's military operation in Ukraine began:
scheerpost.com

Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate

In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
scheerpost.com scheerpost.com
 
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