Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals

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Now this is change you can believe in, and boy are YOU going to pay for it

It is both sad and unfair that only 12 million illegal immigrants will be covered by Obamacare. How about the other eight million illegals? Why are they not being covered?

Will that come after the bill is signed into law?



Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals

Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:32 PM

On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.

The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines, and followed this action by passing the 1,018-page bill early Friday morning by a 23-to-18 margin, with three Democrats voting against the plan.

The Democratic plan will embrace Obama’s vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America – a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, costs under the Obama plan being proposed by the House will saddle citizens with $1.04 trillion in new federal outlays over the next decade.

Congressional Democrats and Obama have argued that their health plan is necessary to contain rising health care costs.

But, last Thursday, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf testified before the Senate Budget Committee and warned lawmakers that the proposed “legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs."

A key factor increasing costs is that Democratic plan provides for blanket coverage to as much as 15 percent of the U.S. population not currently insured, including illegals.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/health_care_obama/2009/07/19/237484.html
 
years ago my brother in law tried to tell me that illegal aliens were receiving government assistance in California......I called him an idiot....told him that even in California they couldn't be that stupid.....I hated having to apologize to my brother in law......

can any liberal explain to me the logic of providing taxpayer funded health care to someone in this country illegally?......
 
let me try, they are so fucking giddy from winning that they will vote for anything the republicans detest.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
years ago my brother in law tried to tell me that illegal aliens were receiving government assistance in California......I called him an idiot....told him that even in California they couldn't be that stupid.....I hated having to apologize to my brother in law......

can any liberal explain to me the logic of providing taxpayer funded health care to someone in this country illegally?......
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It is simple PMP. This is how Dems see illegals. First they get them drivers licenses since most states have "motor voter". When they get their license, they also register to vote

The states have admitted they do NOT check to make sure they are legal citizens

So now they can vote

Dems will shower them with goodies - and like most liberal voters they will show their gratitude by voting for them in elections

DSems see the illegals as an untapped voting block, and see them as keeping them in power
 
Topspin said:
let me try, they are so fucking giddy from winning that they will vote for anything the republicans detest.
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actually, I suspect you are right.....they act, not from any decision that it is right, but from the notion that they can do any fucking thing they want......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
actually, I suspect you are right.....they act, not from any decision that it is right, but from the notion that they can do any fucking thing they want......
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and anything that grows the government and their power. Libs do not gve a damn about "helping" people. or making things easier

The ONLY thing the left cares about is POWER and how they control as many aspects of our lives as possible
 
No Obama supporters jumping in and trying to defend/spin this? Wow, must be getting harder for them to try and explain why US taxpayers should fund this
 
red states rule said:
Now this is change you can believe in, and boy are YOU going to pay for it

It is both sad and unfair that only 12 million illegal immigrants will be covered by Obamacare. How about the other eight million illegals? Why are they not being covered?

Will that come after the bill is signed into law?



Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals

Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:32 PM

On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.

The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines, and followed this action by passing the 1,018-page bill early Friday morning by a 23-to-18 margin, with three Democrats voting against the plan.

The Democratic plan will embrace Obama’s vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America – a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, costs under the Obama plan being proposed by the House will saddle citizens with $1.04 trillion in new federal outlays over the next decade.

Congressional Democrats and Obama have argued that their health plan is necessary to contain rising health care costs.

But, last Thursday, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf testified before the Senate Budget Committee and warned lawmakers that the proposed “legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs."

A key factor increasing costs is that Democratic plan provides for blanket coverage to as much as 15 percent of the U.S. population not currently insured, including illegals.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/health_care_obama/2009/07/19/237484.html
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I remember when the Dems were asked about this. They said it wasn't their intention, but some illegals might slip through the cracks.
 
Threedee said:
If you're that bored chatting politics around here, why not contain 90% of your posts to the Off Topic section the way I do?
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I have not received The One's instructions regarding this matter, but will submit your suggestion for consideration.
 
TuTu Monroe said:
I remember when the Dems were asked about this. They said it wasn't their intention, but some illegals might slip through the cracks.
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Massachusetts is dropping their coverage of LEGAL immigrants but Obama in his great wisdom is going to add ILLEGAL immigrants.

There are 12 million illegal aliens in CA alone. We all know 40 million is more like the number when you include familys that come here after one member has a job.

This whole healthcare scam is made soley for the illegal aliens and no one else. Libs need more votes.
 
The Republican strategy is to obstruct.

As usual with the Southern right-wing bloc that dominates the Republican party, winning political victories is more important than providing health care to the millions of Americans who lack it, because some of those uninsured might not be white.
 
DNC said:
The Republican strategy is to obstruct.

As usual with the Southern right-wing bloc that dominates the Republican party, winning political victories is more important than providing health care to the millions of Americans who lack it, because some of those uninsured might not be white.
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It is now Dems who are blocking it son. They see the massive tax increases Obama wants, and the rationed care

Dems gave the nation subprime mortgages, now they want to give America subprime healthcare

Did you read the link that takes you to the bill, or are you like your elected Dems who will vote for it without reading it?
 
DNC said:
The Republican strategy is to obstruct.

As usual with the Southern right-wing bloc that dominates the Republican party, winning political victories is more important than providing health care to the millions of Americans who lack it, because some of those uninsured might not be white.
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so your theory is, we should pay full health care for illegals because it would be racist to deny taxpayer funded programs to people who are illegal?.....

let me ask you this.....if someone broke into your house would you put a roast in the oven and invite him for supper instead of call the police, because you might be considered racist if you didn't let him stay?
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
so your theory is, we should pay full health care for illegals because it would be racist to deny taxpayer funded programs to people who are illegal?.....

let me ask you this.....if someone broke into your house would you put a roast in the oven and invite him for supper instead of call the police, because you might be considered racist if you didn't want him there?
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Look at what free healthcare for illegals have done to CA


Organ transplants for immigrants stir debate in Calif.

LOS ANGELES - Ana Puente was an infant with a liver disorder when her aunt brought her illegally to the United States to seek medical care. She underwent two liver transplants at the University of California, Los Angeles Medical Center as a child in 1989 and a third in 1998, each paid for by the state.

more stories like thisBut when Puente turned 21 in June, she aged out of her state-funded health insurance and the ability to continue treatment at UCLA.

This year, her liver began failing again and she was hospitalized at County-USC Medical Center, affiliated with the University of Southern California. In her Medi-Cal application, a USC doctor wrote, "Her current clinical course is irreversible, progressive and will lead to death without another liver transplant." The application was denied.

The county gave her medication but does not have the resources to perform transplants.

Late last month Puente learned of another, little-known option for patients with certain healthcare needs. If she notified US Citizenship and Immigration Services that she was in the country illegally, state health officials might grant her full coverage through Medi-Cal, the state health services assistance program for the poor. Puente did so, her benefits were restored, and she is awaiting a fourth transplant at UCLA.

Puente's case highlights two controversial issues: Should illegal immigrants receive liver transplants in the United States and should taxpayers pick up the cost?

The average cost of a liver transplant and first-year follow-up is nearly $490,000, according to the United Network for Organ Sharing. Donor livers are in scarce supply. In California, nearly 3,700 people are on a waiting list for livers, according to the network. Last year, more than 90 percent were given to US citizens.

Donor livers generally are allocated through a geographic-based distribution system on the basis of how sick the patients are and how long they have been on the transplant waiting list. Immigration status does not play a role in allocating organs. But some people say that it should.

"All transplants are about rationing," said Roy Beck, executive director of NumbersUSA, which favors stricter controls on immigration. "I just don't think the public ought to be funding any kind of benefits for people who are breaking the law."

Larry Gonzalez, a US citizen who has hepatitis C, has known for a decade that he needs a new liver but was placed on the transplant waiting list only last week.

"Why do we have to get in line behind immigrants, foreigners, when we have enough people here to fill the hospitals?" said Gonzalez, 54, who lives in Ventura.

But Dr. Michael Shapiro, vice chairman of the ethics committee for the organ sharing network, said illegal immigrants have just as much right to receive organ transplants as US citizens. He said it is likely that more illegal immigrants donate organs than receive them. "People are people, and when you make an incision in an organ donor, you don't find little American flags planted on their organs," Shapiro said.

Illegal immigrant children with certain severe, chronic illnesses are eligible for funding under a state program. But the coverage ends when they turn 21.

State health officials said California law is designed so there is no gap in coverage, so children move seamlessly from state-funded treatment to county care. But that doesn't always happen. When they become adults, patients like Puente often must switch doctors and hospitals and might lose access to necessary medical care.

That break can be life-threatening. "It doesn't matter if I'm undocumented," Puente said. "They should take care of me at UCLA for the rest of my life because I've been there since I was a baby."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...nsplants_for_immigrants_stir_debate_in_calif/
 
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