Obama re:Campaign Finance
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cawacko
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Not at all. McCain made a comment but besides that no one has said anything about it. Well except for JPP who had a nice circle jerk (which I am a fan of for the record) about calling the wammmbulance or something like that.
Good for Obama. I hope Democratics in the future choose to do the same and stop whining about publicly funded elections. If you are good people will support you. In the past Democratics have sucked and not gotten the public money which is why they have cried. Obama is the man and now he is kicking ass. Good for him.
Minister of Truth
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FYI My liberal social studies teachers in high school were wholly in favor of public funding to eliminate the influence of big money. I never discussed it with my liberal professors in college though... Next time I run into one of them I'll ask about it.
cawacko
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Most liberals are 100% for public funded elections. They say it keeps money out of politics. That's also why they loved McCain back in the day because that idiot was for it.
But now that Obama is cleaning house and racking in the dead presidents many Democratics are capitalist fans in this instance.
Minister of Truth
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Yeah, that figures. And that is the one major issue I have with McCain on.
ib1yysguy
Junior Member
The public finance system we have right now though is kaput. Too many intentional loopholes.
I'm all about getting the money out of politics. I think it would solve a hell of a lot of problems. The problem is you have to have politicians that are willing to make those changes.
I'm all about getting the money out of politics. I think it would solve a hell of a lot of problems. The problem is you have to have politicians that are willing to make those changes.
Minister of Truth
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They also have to not be terribly big fans of the 1st Amendment.
ib1yysguy
Junior Member
Not true.
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
The public funding system is horrendously underfunded; it's basically just a system for losers.
No, its because Obama is going to raise 300 million dollars on the internet.
McFossil's supporters are so old, and technically inept, it will be a challenge to pry them away from their shortwave radios to get them online to contribute to him.
I have no problem with all money in politics. It's the big money form big donors who want big favors and get big favors as a result of their big money that I have a problem with.
As for Republicans complaining about Obama not taking public financing, there are tons of them, the McCain campaign included.
And really, Obama never pledged to take public funds. He said he would work towards an agreement with McCain on how the campaigns are financed. I said at the time that it was a smart way to approach it since he could insist in any agreement that the McCain campaign work to control 527 money. McCain hasn't even attempted to do that while Obama has. There is no agreement.
Also, lost in all of this is the fact that John McCain took out a campaign saving loan by pledging to take public money if his campaign cratered and to stay in the primary race even if it was clear he would lose to continue to receive the public funds to pay off his loan, not necessarily to actively campaign. Then, he opted out of the public financing system, only to get smacked down by the Republican chair of the FEC. The matter is tied up in litigation. So anything John McCain says about Obama not accepting public funds even though, unlike McCain, Obama never pledged to do so, is laughable.
As for Republicans complaining about Obama not taking public financing, there are tons of them, the McCain campaign included.
And really, Obama never pledged to take public funds. He said he would work towards an agreement with McCain on how the campaigns are financed. I said at the time that it was a smart way to approach it since he could insist in any agreement that the McCain campaign work to control 527 money. McCain hasn't even attempted to do that while Obama has. There is no agreement.
Also, lost in all of this is the fact that John McCain took out a campaign saving loan by pledging to take public money if his campaign cratered and to stay in the primary race even if it was clear he would lose to continue to receive the public funds to pay off his loan, not necessarily to actively campaign. Then, he opted out of the public financing system, only to get smacked down by the Republican chair of the FEC. The matter is tied up in litigation. So anything John McCain says about Obama not accepting public funds even though, unlike McCain, Obama never pledged to do so, is laughable.
Lets call a spade a spade.
Obama is not taking public financing because he will do better with private.
McCain is bitching about it because he would not do well with private and also because its good ammo to attack obama.
These are politicians. Everything they do is based on selfish reasons during a campaign.
Obama is not taking public financing because he will do better with private.
McCain is bitching about it because he would not do well with private and also because its good ammo to attack obama.
These are politicians. Everything they do is based on selfish reasons during a campaign.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Actually Obama's success may end public financing as it is now percieved and redefine it as Obama has created it. He is getting public financing, directly from the public.
All money in politics is unintelligent because it allows the bigger money to dictate to politicians. As it is, the flaw in the concept of democracy is money. Money is a giant gaping hole and he who has the money controls the democracy.
What Obama is doing is already setting precedent even before he takes office.
All money in politics is unintelligent because it allows the bigger money to dictate to politicians. As it is, the flaw in the concept of democracy is money. Money is a giant gaping hole and he who has the money controls the democracy.
What Obama is doing is already setting precedent even before he takes office.
I think the creation and utilization of 527s was the death knell of the public financing system.
Frankly, as long as there are contribution caps I have no real problem with candidates foregoing public financing. I would prefer to have spending caps, but you cannot have that with 527s (and others like them) throwing lots of cash around.
I'd also add to the mix the fact that Obama has actively sought to limit the power of 527s on the left side. He basically shut down a 527 run by David Brock by telling all of his big donors not to give Brock any money. Given that he has made those efforts, I again have no problem with Obama raising lots of cash and spending lots of cash.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I agree with you.
David Brock is media matters right? What kind of 527 was it, do you know? Was it doing some nasty stuff or something?
It (Progressive Media USA, the 527) hadn't really done much of anything. It ran a couple of ads that said McCain was the same as Bush, but that's it. They were planning a $40 million ad campaign for the election but have since abandoned it.
I think it is Obama showing that the 527 groups can be controlled if the candidate tries to control them.
That’s smart. This will come again if that’s the case, and it’ll be bad for McCain, who isn’t going to do anything to control the 527’s – he’s counting on them.