One People, One State, One Purpose

Sovereigntist said:
To Flash, it all depends on how the government is organized. Sovereignty explains how we can prevent new politicians from becoming just as corrupt and incompetent as the present ones, but the only way we can truly ensure their loyalty is by eliminating government secrecy.
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Bringing a large number of corrupt people together does not make them less corrupt regardless of how the government is organized.
 
Flash said:
Bringing a large number of corrupt people together does not make them less corrupt regardless of how the government is organized.
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this fuck just wants another level of government full of "moral" people.

it's a terrifying delusional chimeric mirage of ridiculousness.
 
Flash said:
Bringing a large number of corrupt people together does not make them less corrupt regardless of how the government is organized.
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Actually, changing the way the government is organized is exactly how we can prevent corrupt politicians from coming together. That is why the Constitution and Declaration of Independence exist.
 
Sovereigntist said:
No, it is not too late to change the government. We just need people to stop fighting among themselves and focus their anger at those in government. They are the reason why people are angry in the first place.
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I'd say state capture by corporations is a bigger threat, actually.

destroying the corporate legal construct and returning to sound currency is a better bet to save humanity.
 
Sovereigntist said:
No, it is not too late to change the government. We just need people to stop fighting among themselves and focus their anger at those in government. They are the reason why people are angry in the first place.
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Not true most of Trump supporters are swimming in an orgasmic frenzy.
While people in reality see us drifting into a
Fascist state,ruled by a heartless prick!
 
AssHatZombie said:
I'd say state capture by corporations is a bigger threat, actually.

destroying the corporate legal construct and returning to sound currency is a better bet to save humanity.
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We do agree with your statement and address how corporations are interfering with elections through bribery and political corruption. And by "sound currency" are you are referring to the gold standard?
 
Sovereigntist said:
We do agree with your statement and address how corporations are interfering with elections through bribery and political corruption. And by "sound currency" are you are referring to the gold standard?
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but do you agree with destroying the corporate veil altogether?

anything but fiat currency. barter would be better. barter notes maybe.

fiat tyranny is retarded.
 
Sovereigntist said:
Without going into too much detail, I do not consider Sovereignty to be a "new world order" because it is not trying to take over the world or force its beliefs on people. Sovereignty just wants to expose the corruption within today’s governments and to provide a solution for eliminating it. We can all agree that no government is perfect and they never will be, but there is always room for improvement. And I personally believe that the only way we can improve our government is by removing every lazy, corrupt, and incompetent politician from office.
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If you replaced one of them...what would you do differently...and why aren't you doing it?
 
Flash said:
Did it work?
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No, because people are too busy fighting over frivolous things. When the Declaration of Independence was written it held a unifying belief: to protect the life, liberty, and happiness of the people. Now, those values are being attacked by those in office.
 
Sovereigntist said:
No, because people are too busy fighting over frivolous things. When the Declaration of Independence was written it held a unifying belief: to protect the life, liberty, and happiness of the people. Now, those values are being attacked by those in office.
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so what are you gonna do. just bottomline it.
 
Frank Apisa said:
If you replaced one of them...what would you do differently...and why aren't you doing it?
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Sovereignty outlines how we would accomplish this, but I can give you a brief explanation here. This new government will not be divided into corrupt parties all fighting with each other for a majority, but instead positions of office will be filled whenever vacant by way of vote and these newly elected politicians will do what the Declaration of Independence states: serve the people. How can we guarantee that they will do this? Because we are going to make it impossible for them to work in secrecy. We are going to make sure that every major political act is carried out openly and every small political act is thoroughly assessed by an independent court. To put it simply, if someone wishes to become a public official they will basically have to forfeit their privacy.

Now I know what you are going to ask, has this ever been done before? Yes, it was tried in Greece and achieved modest success. It was known as Athenian democracy and it called for every Greek candidate to be carefully examined before they were allowed to become an official. What made Athenian democracy unique was that these Greek officials could be immediately removed from their positions at any time if the people were unsatisfied with their performance. There was even a death penalty for any Greek official who performed poorly or betrayed the trust of the people while in office. This is also touched upon by John Acton when he said “You would hang a man of no position, like Ravaillac; but if what one hears is true, then Elizabeth asked the gaoler to murder Mary, and William III ordered his Scots minister to extirpate a clan. Here are the greater names coupled with the greater crimes. You would spare these criminals, for some mysterious reason. I would hang them, higher than Haman, for reasons of quite obvious justice; still more, still higher, for the sake of historical science.” Even Acton seen that people had a double standard when it came to punishing common criminals vs corrupt politicians.
 
Sovereigntist said:
Sovereignty outlines how we would accomplish this, but I can give you a brief explanation here. This new government will not be divided into corrupt parties all fighting with each other for a majority, but instead positions of office will be filled whenever vacant by way of vote and these newly elected politicians will do what the Declaration of Independence states: serve the people. How can we guarantee that they will do this? Because we are going to make it impossible for them to work in secrecy. We are going to make sure that every major political act is carried out openly and every small political act is thoroughly assessed by an independent court. To put it simply, if someone wishes to become a public official they will basically have to forfeit their privacy.

Now I know what you are going to ask, has this ever been done before? Yes, it was tried in Greece and achieved modest success. It was known as Athenian democracy and it called for every Greek candidate to be carefully examined before they were allowed to become an official. What made Athenian democracy unique was that these Greek officials could be immediately removed from their positions at any time if the people were unsatisfied with their performance. There was even a death penalty for any Greek official who performed poorly or betrayed the trust of the people while in office. This is also touched upon by John Acton when he said “You would hang a man of no position, like Ravaillac; but if what one hears is true, then Elizabeth asked the gaoler to murder Mary, and William III ordered his Scots minister to extirpate a clan. Here are the greater names coupled with the greater crimes. You would spare these criminals, for some mysterious reason. I would hang them, higher than Haman, for reasons of quite obvious justice; still more, still higher, for the sake of historical science.” Even Acton seen that people had a double standard when it came to punishing common criminals vs corrupt politicians.
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so no parties, or one party, actually. foolishness.

how you gonna stop corporate influence? "no parties" doesnt do anything about that.
 
Sovereigntist said:
No, because people are too busy fighting over frivolous things. When the Declaration of Independence was written it held a unifying belief: to protect the life, liberty, and happiness of the people. Now, those values are being attacked by those in office.
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So if those documents were written to prevent corrupt people from coming together and they did not work, why would a different organization prevent that corruption? Organization and rules do not alter corrupt human behavior.
 
AssHatZombie said:
so no parties, or one party, actually. foolishness.

how you gonna stop corporate influence? "no parties" doesnt do anything about that.
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There will be no political parties but instead politically independent individuals who have completed the four years' course of political education and therefore are qualified to be in office. Since there will be no political parties, there will be no seats divided among them. It is not that there will be a one party system, but that there will be no parties at all. Even George Washington was an out spoken critic of political parties, because he knew that they would divide and eventually destroy the government. George Washington said that political parties "always serve to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passion."

In order to stop corporate influence, we must first get rid of "corporate personhood."
 
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