Oral history is generally reliable within a three-generation callback time period

[Bai Lan]

^^^ Nothing even approaching an adequate scientific explanation for the four primary atheist miracles - just an abiding faith that test tubes, microscopes, and mass spectrometers will have the answer. And this itself presupposes that everything in the universe is supposed to be rationally intelligible, yet another article of faith.

I don't have enough faith to be a devout Christian, Jew, or Muslim.

But I also don't have the faith required to be an atheist.

thats why you should forget those question and focus on Applied Morality.

 

[Into the Night]

I believe people are seeing unidentified aerial phenomena.

The last time I saw a UFO, it was on the ground. I saw it just south of Tonopah, NV, and just west of Area 52.

I just don't think the best explanation is that they are observing intergalactic spaceships piloted by aliens.

It wasn't a spaceship. Someone out came out and tramped the letters 'UFO' in the sand and an arrow pointing toward Area 52.

Someone must've been bored. Not much to do in Goldfield.

 

[Into the Night]

Seems his "agenda" is knowing things.

Histories from the ancient world describe lives and events known to have happened both from plural sources and surviving evidence. Reports of UFO sightings are of isolated occurrences typically lacking evidence for which the better response, in my opinion, is to say, "keeping an open mind pending proof one way or the other."

Oh, the UFO I saw was quite real and quite visible from the air. I can only imagine how bored someone was in Goldfield to go out and make the thing.

 

[Into the Night]

Your assumption is that everyone who sees an unidentified aerial phenomena actually leaps to the conclusion that they are witnessing interstellar spaceships piloted by aliens.

I always give serious weight to eyewitness testimony reported by multiple people.

I don't think everyone is lying who saw something strange on Loch Ness or in up in the atmosphere. You have to consider if the best explanation for these observations are really a freshwater aquatic dinosaur and intergalactic spaceships piloted by aliens.

So you believe in Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, and spaceships piloted by aliens.

Whadda twit.

 

[Into the Night]

Seems his "agenda" is knowing things.

Already shown to be wrong. His (and your) agenda is to 'appear thmart'.

Histories from the ancient world describe lives and events known to have happened both from plural sources and surviving evidence. Reports of UFO sightings are of isolated occurrences typically lacking evidence for which the better response, in my opinion, is to say, "keeping an open mind pending proof one way or the other."

I already know you believe in the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, and intergalactic spacecraft.

 

[Into the Night]

Ideally, we need multiple witnesses, and remembering what score someone got in their golf game last week, is not as important to historians as reliable testimony about who won at the Battle of Marathon, or whether Julius Caesar was murdered by assassination.

Random phrases. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

He's right that if a substantial number of the reports were accurate we would have evidentiary proof by now, but the probable falsity of the vast majority of reports doesn't mean or logically suggest that all are false.

Attempted negative proof fallacy.

 

[Bai Lan]

Random phrases. No apparent coherency.

why don't you just fucking stop it with your bullshit.

 

[Cypress]

thats why you should forget those question and focus on Applied Morality.

Morals are subjective without some kind of universal foundation that points to a higher standard.

The deeper point of the Gospels has been ignored or forgotten over the years. People have focused on them as a list of do's and don't. Jesus was trying to convince people to live in a radically different way reflecting the values of community, brotherhood, and universal love, as opposed to the human propensity to self-interest.

Cooperation and altruism are ultimately just based on self-interest, unless there is a deeper universal moral foundation that transcends the biological need for survival and self preservation

 

[Bai Lan]

Morals are subjective without some kind of universal foundation that points to a higher standard.

The deeper point of the Gospels has been ignored or forgotten over the years. People have focused on them as a list of do's and don't. Jesus was trying to convince people to live in a radically different way reflecting the values of community, brotherhood, and love, as opposed to human propensity to self-interest.

Cooperation and altruism are ultimately just based on self-interest, unless there is a deeper universal moral foundation that transcends the need for survival and self preservation

no they arent.

no deeper universal moral foundation is necessary.

cooperative behaviors help all individuals in the group.



you just need to cover your evil with dogma and discussions about miracles and inquisitions and false purity.

basically you love being shitty to people and worshipping satan.

 

[Daylight63]

Morals are subjective without some kind of universal foundation that points to a higher standard.

The deeper point of the Gospels has been ignored or forgotten over the years. People have focused on them as a list of do's and don't. Jesus was trying to convince people to live in a radically different way reflecting the values of community, brotherhood, and universal love, as opposed to the human propensity to self-interest.

Cooperation and altruism are ultimately just based on self-interest, unless there is a deeper universal moral foundation that transcends the biological need for survival and self preservation

Always fun to see Cy telling people what Jesus wanted.

 

[Into the Night]

why don't you just fucking stop it with your bullshit.

Random phrase. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

Morals are subjective without some kind of universal foundation that points to a higher standard.

Buzzword fallacies.

The deeper point of the Gospels has been ignored or forgotten over the years.

Void argument fallacy.

People have focused on them as a list of do's and don't.

Void argument fallacy.

Jesus was trying to convince people to live in a radically different way reflecting the values of community, brotherhood, and universal love, as opposed to the human propensity to self-interest.

Community IS self-interest.
Brotherhood is a state.
Universal love is a buzzword.

Cooperation and altruism are ultimately just based on self-interest, unless there is a deeper universal moral foundation that transcends the biological need for survival and self preservation

You must contradicted yourself. Welcome to another paradox. You cannot argue both sides of any paradox, Sybil.

You are bullshitting again.

 

[Phantasmal]

Always fun to see Cy telling people what Jesus wanted.

Humans do it all the time, every Sunday, and nearly everyday of the week somewhere.

 

[Daylight63]

Humans do it all the time, every Sunday, and nearly everyday of the week somewhere.

Most assuredly. Some of them have a nodding acquaintance with the actual words as well. But your point is true nonetheless.

 

[Cypress]

Always fun to see Cy telling people what Jesus wanted.

Nothing I said about what Jesus taught is remotely controversial.

Jesus was trying to convince people to live in a radically different way reflecting the values of community, brotherhood, and universal love, as opposed to the human propensity to self-interest.

 

[Cypress]

Buzzword fallacies.

Void argument fallacy.

Void argument fallacy.

Community IS self-interest.
Brotherhood is a state.
Universal love is a buzzword.

You must contradicted yourself. Welcome to another paradox. You cannot argue both sides of any paradox, Sybil.

You are bullshitting again.

It gives me confidence in my argument when you, Asshatzombie, and Perry make common cause to dog pile me to say I am wrong.

 

[Tobytone]

Buzzword fallacies.

Void argument fallacy.

Void argument fallacy.

Community IS self-interest.
Brotherhood is a state.
Universal love is a buzzword.

You must contradicted yourself. Welcome to another paradox. You cannot argue both sides of any paradox, Sybil.

You are bullshitting again.

I always wondered what happened to the people that lived together in an old multi-colored school bus taking acid and smoking pot while vibin' on Jesus. LOL

 

[Cypress]

cooperative behaviors help all individuals in the group.

Cooperation is ultimately about self-interest. Even prairie dogs cooperate, as necessitated by Darwinian concepts of the self preservation of their genetic code.

If you want to base morality on self-interest, that's your choice.

I am trying to reason with myself that absolute right and wrong exist and are objective, independent of opinion or the considerations of self-interest.

 

[Bai Lan]

Cooperation is ultimately about self-interest. Even prairie dogs cooperate, as necessitated by Darwinian concepts of the self preservation of their genetic code.

If you want to base morality on self-interest, that's your choice.

I am trying to reason with myself that absolute right and wrong exist and are objective, independent of opinion or the considerations of self-interest.

self interest by intilling trust in others by being trustworthy, and also the others being trustworthy.

why is this hard for you?

because you like carpet bombing babies?

you;re an evil idiot.

reciprocity is christ's teaching.

The only debt that you should have is to love each other. Anyone who loves other people has obeyed God's Law completely.

9 The rules in God's Law say this: ‘Do not have sex with anyone who is not your own wife or your own husband. Do not kill anyone. Do not rob anyone. Do not want things that belong to other people.’ All these rules, and all the other rules in God's Law, are all included in one rule. That one rule is: ‘Love other people as much as you love yourself.’ 10 If you love other people, you will never do anything bad to them. So anyone who loves other people has obeyed God's Law completely.