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Depends on what the reforms are... as mentioned, if Hillary tries to FORCE people to accept her plan, it is likely to backfire.
Remember the Romney game plan that surfaced a year ago?
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Depends on what the reforms are... as mentioned, if Hillary tries to FORCE people to accept her plan, it is likely to backfire.
cawacko
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The people at the DNC and RNC LOVE voters like Desh. About the only thing they love more would be someone like Desh who was rich and likes to donate large sums of money.
evince
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They became complacent.
They had control and did not realize the power of the Newt. They whipped the religious right into a fenzy.
This is the same right that they have had to pander to to get elected for years now. They pushed the party so far to the social right that the ones who can get elected do so by Pretending to be like then. Then they later get outed as Gay, adulterers, thiefs and the like.
Newt himself could not live up top the spotlight he created.
cawacko
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With all due respect Desh you would make a horrible political pundit because you are so partisan you can't see things that really happen.
The Republicans ran on the Contract With America in the '94 campaign. They won in such a landslide not just because Republicans came out to vote but many independents came out to vote as well on the Republican side. This was a result of dissatisfaction with the Democratic leadership. (We saw something similar in 2006.)
evince
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http://www.fairvote.org/reports/1995/chp3/gans.html
It was a decline in interest by several dem voting factions.
It was a decline in interest by several dem voting factions.
gonzojournals
Better than You
Yeah, with all the love for Bush and the Republicans I'm sure the fact that they haven't been prosecuted for election fraud has to do with the overwhelming support (30 percent!) rather than the lack of any fraud.
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cawacko
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your own article states, "The Democratic disarray is a deserved product of two major missteps -- the failure in 1994 to offer any theme or message around which to rally and the failure over a 25-year period to fashion an approach uniting the middle and underclass wings of the party. They seem no closer to such a message now."
Why do you think voters stay home? Because they are not happy with their party.
evince
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No they stayed home because they though they had the upper hand and could slack off from voting,
The dems did not tell them they needed to fight Newt. This was the begining of the religious right. This was when they went out and told the RR they would end abortion, gay marriage and the ,like.
The dems did not tell them they needed to fight Newt. This was the begining of the religious right. This was when they went out and told the RR they would end abortion, gay marriage and the ,like.
gonzojournals
Better than You
If that is how your voter base operates you deserve to lose.
Minister of Truth
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If Dims are so lazy as to not vote, why does it matter? That's not even an excuse, that's just stupidity, and probably a lie, to cover up for 1994.
cawacko
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So then why didn't the Dems win any elections until 2006? Did Dem voters get lazy for 12 years?
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The Almighty
LMAO.... seriously, cut it out.... My sides are splitting. They "stayed home because they thought they had the upper hand"?????
Show us one strategist that would agree with that comment desh. Just one. What possibly could have led them to believe they had the upper hand?
The fact that Clinton won with less than 50% of the vote?
The absolute failure of Hillarycare?
What?
What great strategy was in place that made them feel they had the upper hand?
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Socrtease
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Jesus Christ desh can it NEVER be that the Dems just don't get it? Do you REALLY believe that absent fraud the Republicans could never win an election? If Hillary is the nominee hide somewhere and watch it happen again. She will give the election away better than Kerry did.
cawacko
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evince
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_caging#Examples_of_proven_or_alleged_political_cagingExamples of proven or alleged political caging
From the Washington Post: "In 1981, the Republican National Committee sent letters to predominantly black neighborhoods in New Jersey, and when 45,000 letters were returned as undeliverable, the committee compiled a challenge list to remove those voters from the rolls. The RNC sent off-duty law enforcement officials to the polls and hung posters in heavily black neighborhoods warning that violating election laws is a crime." Republicans however, denied that black voters were the target. An attorney for the RNC, Bobby Burchfield, stated that "troubling reports" of fictitious names such as Mary Poppins were appearing on Ohio's rolls and that is what prompted the challenges.
The Washington Post[11]: "In 1986, the RNC tried to have 31,000 voters, most of them black, removed from the rolls in Louisiana when a party mailer was returned. The consent decrees that resulted prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that target minorities or conduct mail campaigns to 'compile voter challenge lists.'" The Republican National Committee reportedly stopped the practice following the consent decree in the 1986 case, but allegations of RNC-conducted voter caging arose once again in the 2004 elections.
In October 2004, the BBC Newsnight program reported on an alleged George W. Bush campaign caging list, the existence of which suggested that the campaign might have been planning illegal disruption of African American voting in Jacksonville, Florida. The BBC obtained a document from George W. Bush's Florida campaign headquarters that was inadvertently e-mailed to the parody website GeorgeWBush.org. The program reported that the e-mail attachment contained a list of 1,886 voter names and addresses in largely African-American and Democratic areas of Jacksonville. Democratic Party officials and a number of journalists allege that the document is a caging list that the Bush campaign was going to use to issue mass challenges to African-American voters, in violation of the court ordered 1982 and 1987 consent decrees. Although Florida statutory law allows the parties to challenge voters at the polls, this practice is not allowed if the challenges appear to be race-based. Court documents produced during limited discovery in a challenge to use of cagings list in Ohio, revealed clear intent to use caging lists to challenge voters. Specifically, in the US District Court, District of New Jersey, Civil Action No. 81-3876, exhibit D, filed 10/29/04 and entitled
From the Washington Post: "In 1981, the Republican National Committee sent letters to predominantly black neighborhoods in New Jersey, and when 45,000 letters were returned as undeliverable, the committee compiled a challenge list to remove those voters from the rolls. The RNC sent off-duty law enforcement officials to the polls and hung posters in heavily black neighborhoods warning that violating election laws is a crime." Republicans however, denied that black voters were the target. An attorney for the RNC, Bobby Burchfield, stated that "troubling reports" of fictitious names such as Mary Poppins were appearing on Ohio's rolls and that is what prompted the challenges.
The Washington Post[11]: "In 1986, the RNC tried to have 31,000 voters, most of them black, removed from the rolls in Louisiana when a party mailer was returned. The consent decrees that resulted prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that target minorities or conduct mail campaigns to 'compile voter challenge lists.'" The Republican National Committee reportedly stopped the practice following the consent decree in the 1986 case, but allegations of RNC-conducted voter caging arose once again in the 2004 elections.
In October 2004, the BBC Newsnight program reported on an alleged George W. Bush campaign caging list, the existence of which suggested that the campaign might have been planning illegal disruption of African American voting in Jacksonville, Florida. The BBC obtained a document from George W. Bush's Florida campaign headquarters that was inadvertently e-mailed to the parody website GeorgeWBush.org. The program reported that the e-mail attachment contained a list of 1,886 voter names and addresses in largely African-American and Democratic areas of Jacksonville. Democratic Party officials and a number of journalists allege that the document is a caging list that the Bush campaign was going to use to issue mass challenges to African-American voters, in violation of the court ordered 1982 and 1987 consent decrees. Although Florida statutory law allows the parties to challenge voters at the polls, this practice is not allowed if the challenges appear to be race-based. Court documents produced during limited discovery in a challenge to use of cagings list in Ohio, revealed clear intent to use caging lists to challenge voters. Specifically, in the US District Court, District of New Jersey, Civil Action No. 81-3876, exhibit D, filed 10/29/04 and entitled
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cawacko
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gonzojournals
Better than You
Yeah, they really have to stop those youth (who never vote) and the blacks (who rarely vote and aren't that much of a percentage in the first place).