Settling the Biological Virus Debate

Poor Richard Saunders said:
Phoenyx said:
As I've said umpteen times, I've never made the claim that DDT is the only likely cause of polio.
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Thanks for showing us once again that you have no clue what causes polio.
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I still have no idea how you manage to jump to the conclusions you jump to. Anyway, see my last post in regards to a long list of possible causes of polio.

Poor Richard Saunders said:
Science requires you provide evidence to support your claim. Pseudo-science says you can just ignore any evidence and make your claim.
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Agreed. You seem to be unaware of how often you employ pseudo-scientific methods. You're constantly making claims without providing evidence, much less proof. I've noted that you never responded to my post #1060, where I pointed out 2 claims you made that you have never provided solid evidence for, let alone proof. I'll remind you of them here:

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You made 2 claims:

1- That I have no evidence for my belief that Dr. Mark Bailey makes a compelling case in his farewell to virology essay that virology is not science, but pseudo science.

2- That I have no evidence disputing the existence of viruses.

I'm simply asking you to prove your claims. I'm pretty sure you won't even try, but I think it's good to point out the fact that you tend to make a lot of claims that you can't actually prove.
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Let me know if you ever intend to provide evidence for these claims of yours.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Phoenyx said:
As I've said before, things like dosage and health of the humans dosed matters. Also, polio like symptoms won't be found if no one tests for and reports them.
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You seem to be forgetting that we find polio by doing RNA sequencing.
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No, RNA sequences are found when doing RNA sequencing. You have yet to provide any evidence that any RNA sequences found belong to an alleged polio virus.
 
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Phoenyx said:
I already gave you a long list of possible causes, courtesy of Tessa Lena, in the nested quotes above. It's right up there in the nested quotes. You can start reading at the title "Poliomyelitis-like symptoms caused by poisoning" and just keep on going from there.
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Simply having a list of possible causes is pseudo-science. Other possible causes could be aliens, religion, cosmic rays and even viruses. What science does is actually test to see if there is evidence that supports anything on your list. What pseudo-science does is point to the list and ignore the fact that many things on that list have no evidence showing they could cause an illness.

What evidence do you have that the electron microscope pictures are actually from a virus? How do polio vaccines provide evidence that the polio virus actually exists? And what evidence do you have that polio is actually spread by this alleged virus?
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Are you alleging this grand conspiracy involving all scientists and technicians as well as industry?
Photos published in a scientific journal are subject to peer review. Faking the photos is usually found out. There is at least one recent incident where a paper was published and photos were doctored. It was discovered. Scientists have a vested interesting in finding fraud.

Polio vaccines provide evidence that the virus exists because the virus is used to make the vaccine. Polio virus is grown and then weakened to be used in the vaccine. Current polio vaccines have a different genetic sequence than the variant that causes paralysis. We know that sequence has been found in waste water from human sources based on the current findings of polio in Africa.

I love that you feel you can ask for evidence but then never present any in support of your beliefs. What evidence do you have that polio is caused by a poison. Your evidence has to show the source of this poison and how it spreads. Vague claims that you don't know what the poison is is not evidence. It is pseudo-science.
The polio virus grows and multiplies. It can spread from human to human because it grows and multiplies. I have several times given you links to the genome database that lists the genome for each time it has been sequenced and submitted to the database. You are arguing that virus sequences that have been sequenced millions of time are somehow either false and no one has figured it out or it is some grand conspiracy. Denial of evidence is pseudo-science. Belief without evidence is pseudo-science. All you have is pseudo-science. You still have not told us the falsifiable theory your doctors have and what test can be used to falsify their theory.

First of all, I'm simply repeating other people's claims, people who have put a lot more work into researching the causes then I have. Second of all, I'd like to note something about your take on things- it's a common flaw of people who dislike thinking that their worldview might be mistaken: "Demand complete solutions". I remember a line from a film called Zeitgeist that I really liked. It was about God, but it can work for a lot more than the concept of God: "I don't know what God is, but I know what he isn't". That's the case here. I'm not sure what all the causes of polio are, but I strongly believe that it is -not- caused by this alleged polio virus. DDT definitely seems to be -one- of the causes, but certainly not the only cause.
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You are repeating pseudo-science. You are repeating pseudo-science that you can't defend with logic or facts. Thanks for the religion reference. It encapsulates your belief system. You don't need facts or science because you are relying on pseudo-science to support your beliefs that can't be supported with facts or science.
No, I have never claimed such a thing.
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Then how does this poison work if disease can occur in China, New York, Italy, South Africa, North Korea but there is no poison that can spread in that fashion? It seems you want to ignore how disease spreads when it is a virus but accept how it spreads when it is a bacteria. Pseudo-science on your part.
 
Phoenyx said:
I still have no idea how you manage to jump to the conclusions you jump to. Anyway, see my last post in regards to a long list of possible causes of polio.



Agreed. You seem to be unaware of how often you employ pseudo-scientific methods. You're constantly making claims without providing evidence, much less proof. I've noted that you never responded to my post #1060, where I pointed out 2 claims you made that you have never provided solid evidence for, let alone proof. I'll remind you of them here:

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You made 2 claims:

1- That I have no evidence for my belief that Dr. Mark Bailey makes a compelling case in his farewell to virology essay that virology is not science, but pseudo science.

2- That I have no evidence disputing the existence of viruses.

I'm simply asking you to prove your claims. I'm pretty sure you won't even try, but I think it's good to point out the fact that you tend to make a lot of claims that you can't actually prove.
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Does DDT cause polio symptoms or not? First you claim it does then you claim it is other poisons. You have no clue what causes polio because you have not presented us with an actual source for those symptoms and stayed with that as the source. When one of your sources is shown to be false, you simply move to a different source with less evidence.

Let me know if you ever intend to provide evidence for these claims of yours.
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You have provided no evidence to support your claims. I have asked you to and you have always declined to do so. If you have evidence then present it.
Poison can't be the cause of disease caused by viruses because poison loses toxicity as it spreads out. You have been unable to show how poison could be the cause.
5G can't be the cause of all diseases caused by viruses because 5G hasn't existed until recently. You have been unable to show how 5G could be the cause. Your evidence has consisted of papers that say viruses exist.

You provide articles and then cherry pick parts of those articles while ignoring the majority of it. Examples-
An article stating electrical fields activate viruses was used by you to claim that viruses don't exist but it is the electrical field that causes disease
An article about terrain theory was used by you to claim that all disease is environmental and then when I asked if microzymas have ever been isolated you claimed terrain theory has nothing to do with microzymas.
Pseudo-science cherry picks and that is what you are doing.
 
Phoenyx said:
No, RNA sequences are found when doing RNA sequences. You have yet to provide any evidence that any RNA sequences found belong to an alleged polio virus.
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Your denial is more evidence of you practicing pseudo-science.
I have given links to the genome database. You simply deny that the millions of times that viruses have been sequenced exist.

Let me know which of the following you wish to discuss in detail.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC346996/
https://www.genome.jp/entry/gn:T40344
https://www.genome.jp/entry/gn:T40345
https://www.genome.jp/entry/rs+NC_002058
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.66.2.966-970.1992
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1211484109
https://www.nature.com/articles/268270a0

https://www.jstor.org/stable/10854
https://polioeradication.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/GP5-VDPV-Reporting-for-SEQ-Lab-Vs1.pdf
https://americanhistory.si.edu/polio/virus-and-vaccine/polio-genome
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)01804-9/fulltext

This one is particularly interesting because they assembled the polio virus from scratch.
https://www.science.org/content/article/poliovirus-baked-scratch
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Thanks for showing us once again that you have no clue what causes polio.

Science requires you provide evidence to support your claim. Pseudo-science says you can just ignore any evidence and make your claim. Do you have any evidence of any poison causing polio? A scientific paper? A study that identifies the poison? No. You have none of that. All you have is your pseudo-sceintific unsupported claim. Since you have no support for your claim it is pseudo-science. Based on your evidence vs the evidence of a virus causing polio, the only logical conclusion based on the preponderance of evidence is that polio is caused by a virus. Any other conclusion is pseudo-science. Your claims are nothing but pseudo-science since you can not provide any actual scientific support for them. All you have is the pseudo-science of denial and cherry picking.

You seem to be forgetting that we find polio by doing RNA sequencing. Your attempt to claim the increase in polio cases in Nigeria could by caused by increased DDT use ignored that fact. There are no symptoms in Nigeria because the polio virus that is circulating is too weak to cause symptoms. We know the virus is circulating based on blood tests and finding the polio virus in human sewage. Those tests look for the polio virus sequences to confirm it exists. We also know based on the virus RNA sequence that the virus circulating is the weakened one used in the vaccines most likely because vaccinated people are not getting the proper doses to allow them to kill the weakened virus.

When it comes to poison dosage matters. Of course it does. Something that you continue to ignore. In order for someone to get a large dosage then there needs to be a source for that large dosage. Your pseudo-science has not explained how and where this source is that allows for the large dosage you admit is required.

Large dosage requires concentrated environmental source of the poison/toxin.
As an environmental poison spreads its concentration is reduced. That means the farther you are from the source the smaller the dosage. But you just admitted large dosages are required.
This simple scientific fact shows your poison claim is unlikely until and unless you can show a poison that can generate itself in larger and larger quantities as it spreads.

Science says poison concentration decreases as it expands. Pseudo-science ignores that fact. You are clearly promoting pseudo-science.
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what if the disease causing agent is an energy beam like 5g?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
That beam coming from your phone is its flashlight. :laugh:
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the towers are more worrisome.


5G Bytes: Beamforming Explained - IEEE Spectrum
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5G Bytes: Beamforming Explained Future 5G networks will transmit data through targeted beams and advanced signal processing that could speed up data rates and boost bandwidth Amy Nordrum Kristen Clark IEEE Spectrum 15 Jul 2017 wireless 5G networks beamforming Today's mobile users want faster data speeds and more reliable service.
What is 5G Beamforming? | Verizon
https://www.verizon.com › business › resources › articles › 5g-beamforming-massive-mimo
In general, beamforming is a particular processing technique for signals that allow for directional transmission or reception. 5G beamforming allows Verizon to make 5G connections more focused toward a receiving device.
5G Beamforming: An Engineer's Overview | Avnet Abacus
https://www.avnet.com › wps › portal › abacus › solutions › markets › communications › 5g-solutions › 5g-beamforming
5G beamforming: an engineer's overview 5G delivers a step change in network performance over current 4G levels, with peak data rates up to 20 times faster at 20 GB/s, and connection densities of 1000 devices per square kilometre, 100 times more than 4G.
Massive MIMO in 5G: How Beamforming, Codebooks, and Feedback Enable ...
https://arxiv.org › pdf › 2301.13390
important technology in fifth generation (5G) cellular networks and beyond. To help design the beamforming at the base station, 5G has introduced new support in the form of flexible feedback and configurable antenna array geometries. In this article, we present an overview of MIMO throughout the mobile standards, highlight the
Massive MIMO and Beamforming: The Signal Processing Behind the 5G ...
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The article focus on the description of beamforming of large antenna arrays in 5G using massive MIMO. Analog Dialogue Technical Journal Articles Massive MIMO and Beamforming: The Signal Processing Behind the 5G Buzzwords Browser Compatibility Issue: We no longer support this version of Internet Explorer.
What is 5G beamforming, beam steering and beam switching with massive MIMO
https://www.metaswitch.com › knowledge-center › reference › what-is-beamforming-beam-steering-and-beam-switching-with-massive-mimo
Beamforming is the application of multiple radiating elements transmitting the same signal at an identical wavelength and phase, which combine to create a single antenna with a longer, more targeted stream which is formed by reinforcing the waves in a specific direction.
5G | ShareTechnote
https://www.sharetechnote.com › html › 5G › 5G_Phy_BeamManagement.html
Quick Reference 5G Success 5G Challenges Qualcomm Video s PHY and Protocol Frame Structure Numerology Waveform Frequency Band BWP Synchronization Beam Management CSI Framework Channel Mapping CORESET DCI SLIV UCI/PUCCH Reference Signal MAC RLC PDCP SS Block Scheduling MIB / SIB RACH RRC Overview RrcReconfiguration NSA/ENDC SA/Initial Attach
What is beamforming and how does it make wireless better?
https://www.networkworld.com › article › 3445039 › beamforming-explained-how-it-makes-wireless-communication-faster.html
Mar 14, 2022By Keith Shaw Contributing Writer, Network World | Mar 14, 2022 2:00 am PDT Thinkstock While the concepts of beamforming have been around since the 1940s, the technology is currently playing a...
5G Beamforming | Research Articles | Lumenci
https://www.lumenci.com › research-articles › 5g-beamforming
Oct 28, 20215G Beamforming uses multiple antennas to control the direction of a beam wave by appropriately weighting the magnitude and phase of individual antenna signals in an array of various antennas. That is, the same password is sent from multiple antennas that have sufficient space between them. In any given location, the receiver will thus receive ...
How Beamforming works in 5G NR
https://www.5gworldpro.com › blog › 2020 › 02 › 18 › 178-how-beamforming-works-in-5g-nr
The beamforming technique focuses the RF energy into a narrow direction to allow the RF beam to propagate farther in that direction. Using this technique, non-line of sight (NLOS) RF communication in the mmWave spectrum may rely on reflection and/or diffraction of the beams to reach the UE.
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JesusAI said:
the towers are more worrisome.


5G Bytes: Beamforming Explained - IEEE Spectrum
https://spectrum.ieee.org › 5g-bytes-beamforming-explained
5G Bytes: Beamforming Explained Future 5G networks will transmit data through targeted beams and advanced signal processing that could speed up data rates and boost bandwidth Amy Nordrum Kristen Clark IEEE Spectrum 15 Jul 2017 wireless 5G networks beamforming Today's mobile users want faster data speeds and more reliable service.
What is 5G Beamforming? | Verizon
https://www.verizon.com › business › resources › articles › 5g-beamforming-massive-mimo
In general, beamforming is a particular processing technique for signals that allow for directional transmission or reception. 5G beamforming allows Verizon to make 5G connections more focused toward a receiving device.
5G Beamforming: An Engineer's Overview | Avnet Abacus
https://www.avnet.com › wps › portal › abacus › solutions › markets › communications › 5g-solutions › 5g-beamforming
5G beamforming: an engineer's overview 5G delivers a step change in network performance over current 4G levels, with peak data rates up to 20 times faster at 20 GB/s, and connection densities of 1000 devices per square kilometre, 100 times more than 4G.
Massive MIMO in 5G: How Beamforming, Codebooks, and Feedback Enable ...
https://arxiv.org › pdf › 2301.13390
important technology in fifth generation (5G) cellular networks and beyond. To help design the beamforming at the base station, 5G has introduced new support in the form of flexible feedback and configurable antenna array geometries. In this article, we present an overview of MIMO throughout the mobile standards, highlight the
Massive MIMO and Beamforming: The Signal Processing Behind the 5G ...
https://www.analog.com › en › analog-dialogue › articles › massive-mimo-and-beamforming-the-signal-processing-behind-the-5g-buzzwords.html
The article focus on the description of beamforming of large antenna arrays in 5G using massive MIMO. Analog Dialogue Technical Journal Articles Massive MIMO and Beamforming: The Signal Processing Behind the 5G Buzzwords Browser Compatibility Issue: We no longer support this version of Internet Explorer.
What is 5G beamforming, beam steering and beam switching with massive MIMO
https://www.metaswitch.com › knowledge-center › reference › what-is-beamforming-beam-steering-and-beam-switching-with-massive-mimo
Beamforming is the application of multiple radiating elements transmitting the same signal at an identical wavelength and phase, which combine to create a single antenna with a longer, more targeted stream which is formed by reinforcing the waves in a specific direction.
5G | ShareTechnote
https://www.sharetechnote.com › html › 5G › 5G_Phy_BeamManagement.html
Quick Reference 5G Success 5G Challenges Qualcomm Video s PHY and Protocol Frame Structure Numerology Waveform Frequency Band BWP Synchronization Beam Management CSI Framework Channel Mapping CORESET DCI SLIV UCI/PUCCH Reference Signal MAC RLC PDCP SS Block Scheduling MIB / SIB RACH RRC Overview RrcReconfiguration NSA/ENDC SA/Initial Attach
What is beamforming and how does it make wireless better?
https://www.networkworld.com › article › 3445039 › beamforming-explained-how-it-makes-wireless-communication-faster.html
Mar 14, 2022By Keith Shaw Contributing Writer, Network World | Mar 14, 2022 2:00 am PDT Thinkstock While the concepts of beamforming have been around since the 1940s, the technology is currently playing a...
5G Beamforming | Research Articles | Lumenci
https://www.lumenci.com › research-articles › 5g-beamforming
Oct 28, 20215G Beamforming uses multiple antennas to control the direction of a beam wave by appropriately weighting the magnitude and phase of individual antenna signals in an array of various antennas. That is, the same password is sent from multiple antennas that have sufficient space between them. In any given location, the receiver will thus receive ...
How Beamforming works in 5G NR
https://www.5gworldpro.com › blog › 2020 › 02 › 18 › 178-how-beamforming-works-in-5g-nr
The beamforming technique focuses the RF energy into a narrow direction to allow the RF beam to propagate farther in that direction. Using this technique, non-line of sight (NLOS) RF communication in the mmWave spectrum may rely on reflection and/or diffraction of the beams to reach the UE.
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Perhaps you should be more concerned that none of your links seem to go to any story about beam forming. It's a conspiracy to make you look like a fool. Yeah.. that must be it.
 
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The increased use of radiofrequency (RF) fields above 6 GHz, particularly for the 5 G mobile phone network, has given rise to public concern about any possible adverse effects to human health.
5G technology: Is it bad for our health? - Medical News Today
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Radiation: 5G mobile networks and health - World Health Organization (WHO)
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5G, or fifth generation, is the latest wireless mobile phone technology, first widely deployed in 2019. 5G is expected to increase performance and a wide range of new applications, including strengthening e-Health (telemedicine, remote surveillance, telesurgery). What is 5G? What are the main differences between 5G and previous technologies?
What are the Health Risks of 5G? Your Questions Answered.
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