So I guess Obama/Biden were systemically racist.

Irish said:
Didn't Obama/Biden have 8 years to get rid of "systemic racism."

If its so bad, as the leftists claim, then that means Obama/Biden did NOTHING to get rid of this supposed systemic racism. It means that Obama/Biden are systemic racists themselves.

What police reforms did they institute? What race relations did they solve? They were utter failures if the theory is to be true.
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Can someone here explain to him what the Senate Can and what the President Can't Do?

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Triplelefthook said:
Obama fired up every "Known" economic stimulus but growth just wouldn't rise above 2%. Why? Nobody trusted him. He didn't engender confidence. That hurts the people at the very lowest end of the spectrum- namely the Black community. He did nothing about the impending dispossession crisis that followed the collapse in the housing market. He didn't cause the collapse but he went along with it thereafter and again, the very lowest suffered the greatest.
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The stimulus was meant to get us to 2%. When it hit hit 5.5% and 5% (both well above the 2% you claim it never rose above), it was pulled back on to not overheat the economy. trump said that stimulus would propel us above 2%, not realizing that is a very bad idea. His stimulus was not only a bad idea, but it failed. It led to almost all the major corporations being nearly technical bankrupt at once. We entered a recession at the worst possible time, a month before Covid-19 hit. It has been a complete disaster.

Obama reduced unemployment by record amounts to near record lows. This especially helped the blacks you claim were not helped. trump reduced unemployment a bit more, but it was impossible for him to do as much as Obama.

Obama had success. It was not the wildly great success some might have hoped for, but it was solid calm success. trump promised wildly great success, but instead he has delivered some of the worst failure ever.
 
Triplelefthook said:
Facts: Growth wouldn't rise above 2%
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2011q4 growth was 4.7%. 2014q2 growth was 5.5%. 2014q3 growth was 5%. So your claimed "fact" is not a fact at all. It was important to not have growth overheat the economy, something that trump simply does not understand. When we were in growth, trump tried to stimulate the economy, which both put the economy in a very bad position, and did nothing to actually stimulate the economy.
 
Walt said:
The stimulus was meant to get us to 2%. When it hit hit 5.5% and 5% (both well above the 2% you claim it never rose above), it was pulled back on to not overheat the economy. trump said that stimulus would propel us above 2%, not realizing that is a very bad idea. His stimulus was not only a bad idea, but it failed. It led to almost all the major corporations being nearly technical bankrupt at once. We entered a recession at the worst possible time, a month before Covid-19 hit. It has been a complete disaster.

Obama reduced unemployment by record amounts to near record lows. This especially helped the blacks you claim were not helped. trump reduced unemployment a bit more, but it was impossible for him to do as much as Obama.

Obama had success. It was not the wildly great success some might have hoped for, but it was solid calm success. trump promised wildly great success, but instead he has delivered some of the worst failure ever.
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What are some examples of the "worst failure ever"?

First Step Act, the Opportunity Zones, restoring funding for black colleges, decrease in the country's poverty rate and a growing economy, a decreasing unemployment rate among black americans.... these are good things no?
 
Triplelefthook said:
What are some examples of the "worst failure ever"?

First Step Act, the Opportunity Zones, restoring funding for black colleges, decrease in the country's poverty rate and a growing economy, a decreasing unemployment rate among black americans.... these are good things no?
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Not to Democrats. Gives them uppity blacks to much power!
 
Triplelefthook said:
What are some examples of the "worst failure ever"?

First Step Act, the Opportunity Zones, restoring funding for black colleges, decrease in the country's poverty rate and a growing economy, a decreasing unemployment rate among black americans.... these are good things no?
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Irish said:
What I am saying is judicial activism only come from liberal judges who try to legislate from the bench. Conservatives merely try to up hold original constitution, so you never have anything to fear from a conservative Justice.
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Disagree. Activist judges substitute their political views for legislated law. If a judge voted to strike down the ACA as unconstitutional, that would be judicial activism. However, it would be a conservative action claiming Congress had no power to pass such a law. Activism can be liberal or conservative.
 
Walt said:
The federal funding for more police was also good, because it combined it with more community policing. Republicans derided many of those police as social workers, but when you are dealing with someone with a mental disorder you need a cross between a police officer and a social worker.
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Federal funding for more police was good but now we want defunding police?
 
Triplelefthook said:
What are some examples of the "worst failure ever"?
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You can look around at America, and not see some of the worst failures ever? We live in very different worlds.

What I see was at first trump was able to keep the Obama/Biden economy going, but then he started to meddle. trump created the largest deficit in American history, to stimulate the economy, and we kept at 2% growth. he has destroyed our alliances around the world, but it was about to get worse. his economic meddling caused almost all the major companies in America to go bankrupt, and we have not even gotten to Covid-19.

Right now, we are looking at deficits several times higher than ever before, unemployment so high we cannot even calculate it, economic collapse on the level of a depression, a pandemic, racial tension, I could go on and on but it just depresses me.

How are you missing all this?
 
Walt said:
Again, we live in very different worlds. In the world I live in, the last President was a Black Democrat.
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Impossible. According to Democrats every black person in this country is oppressed. No way that could happen. Perhaps you folks should get together and discuss your opposing talking points.
 
Walt said:
2011q4 growth was 4.7%. 2014q2 growth was 5.5%. 2014q3 growth was 5%. So your claimed "fact" is not a fact at all. It was important to not have growth overheat the economy, something that trump simply does not understand. When we were in growth, trump tried to stimulate the economy, which both put the economy in a very bad position, and did nothing to actually stimulate the economy.
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Not really. You can whip up stats that say he broke 2% for short periods. The average was 2%. It was in the 2% range. It was in shit-range, basically. You know what I am saying and that I am broadly correct.
 
Irish said:
Didn't Obama/Biden have 8 years to get rid of "systemic racism."

If its so bad, as the leftists claim, then that means Obama/Biden did NOTHING to get rid of this supposed systemic racism. It means that Obama/Biden are systemic racists themselves.

What police reforms did they institute? What race relations did they solve? They were utter failures if the theory is to be true.
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A person is not systematically racist stupid fuck, a system is.

Obama and Biden worked in a racist system, that does not make them racist.
 
By virture of the fact a black man became president and got re-elected he showed the blacks that there were higher goals to attain. He was not trying to be a black president. He was careful about that. He did pass the ACA providing healthcare opportunities for millions of poor people. He spoke out when Travon got murdered. However, he did not try to speak about racism very often. He was not an iconoclast. he wanted to be a good president and keep racist hate against him as quiet as possible. He did not want that next black who ran for president to have racism from Obama to make their job tougher.
 
Irish said:
Didn't Obama/Biden have 8 years to get rid of "systemic racism."

If its so bad, as the leftists claim, then that means Obama/Biden did NOTHING to get rid of this supposed systemic racism. It means that Obama/Biden are systemic racists themselves.

What police reforms did they institute? What race relations did they solve? They were utter failures if the theory is to be true.
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Did you know the reason blacks got lighter skinned is because the Irish women were forced to be fucked by black men? Yeah gotta' really hurt your point as an 'Irish'. It's almost like everything you post is because as a fellow slave, a black man was still better than you.

That's gotta' hurt.

Right in the micro feels.
 
Irish said:
Didn't Obama/Biden have 8 years to get rid of "systemic racism."

If its so bad, as the leftists claim, then that means Obama/Biden did NOTHING to get rid of this supposed systemic racism. It means that Obama/Biden are systemic racists themselves.

What police reforms did they institute? What race relations did they solve? They were utter failures if the theory is to be true.
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Almost 4 years later, Biden, Obama, Hillary... they're still living rent-free in your head! Poor baby!
 
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