So we have a US born American citizen being held without trial

IBDaMann said:
You're simply going to have to get over the fact that the US uses a functional Constitution instead of an unusable dead-weight Magna Carta.


Zzzzzzzzzz. You are boring.


For how many people are you pretending to speak?
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About the only thing Christian Nation SCOTUS uses the US Constitution Bill of Rights for is it’s Christiananlity pedophilia Federal Lynching KKKidnapping churchstate of hate drug trafficking fiefdom enforcement of KKKilling US Navy doctors for McHeil’s Navy not so master race not so master plan of “serve the Pope or die” WW II contracts of Islam oil for Mengele “Angel of Death” National baptize thine eyes by urinations religion under color of human reproduction medical pseudoscience law…..
 
IBDaMann said:
Too funny! You don't even know what a "straw man" is. Go on ...


Of course it is. Great pivot, by the way. How about you get back to your stupid misreading of the Constitution.

Let's see, you claim that people born in the US are somehow not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Brilliant!
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He's right for the case he's describing.
He is not 'misreading' the Constitution. He even quoted the relevant material to you, and you completely ignored it.
 
IBDaMann said:
Correct. Illegal alien parents are absolutely subject to the jurisdiction of their native country, and they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, which is why aliens can be deported.
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Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

Illegal aliens are subjects to the jurisdiction of their originating nation ONLY. They are NOT subjects of US jurisdiction! The DID violate US law. They are subject to deportation.

IBDaMann said:
Any child born in the United States, however, is subject to the jurisdiction of the US and not of any other country. The child is not the parents.
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The child is not the parent's?????????????
IBDaMann said:
Unless the child is of alien enemies in hostile occupation or of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State, the child is a US citizen by being born in the US.
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The child is of alien enemies.
IBDaMann said:
Incorrect. Any person born in the US is subject to US jurisdiction, except for children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State.
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The child is of alien enemies.
IBDaMann said:
Trump is pushing this to the Supreme Court for a decision, as he should. Of course, the Supreme Court will decide this based on precedent, and it has already been decided in United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Trump is exploring a "slavery" angle, but this will go nowhere, as the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was decided back at the tail end of the 19th century.
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No court has ANY authority over ANY constitution.
IBDaMann said:
Majority opinion written by Justice Horace Gray

The real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in qualifying the words, ‘All persons born in the United States,’ by the addition, ‘and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,’ would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words, the two classes of cases—children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State—both of which, by the law of nations, and within the meaning of the Constitution, are not within the allegiance, nor subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. The words ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ do not include merely being subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but complete subjection to its political jurisdiction, in the sense of being amenable to its laws.”

To hold that the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution excludes from citizenship the children born in the United States of citizens or subjects of other countries, would be to deny citizenship to thousands of persons of English, Scotch, Irish, German, or other European parentage, who have always been considered and treated as citizens of the United States.
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Irrelevant. No court has ANY authority over ANY constitution.
IBDaMann said:
Actually, that's exactly what the 14th Amendment does for children born in the US. Just read it. It's straightforward.
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The children are born of alien enemies.
IBDaMann said:
If you are expecting birthright citizenship to go away, you will be severely disappointed.
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They do NOT magickally become citizens just because illegal aliens produced offspring.
IBDaMann said:
The only way for that to happen is for the States to ratify the repeal of the 14th Amendment, and I don't see that happening.
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NOTHING in the 14th amendment grants any citizenship to illegal aliens or their offspring.
 
Walt said:
Well then we should deport trump.
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Never. Now start crying and flailing again.
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dancindave said:
Seems yet another suicidal super ego in sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming survival of the fittest fascists schizophrenic human reproduction medical pseudoscience practices Islamidiotocracy Valhalla Christiananality pedophilia as the national religion of “one nation under God with equal justice under law”…….
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Walt said:
You might be right, but here is why I doubt it. They are picking up random people without any thought. If they wanted a test case, they would track down someone who they could prove had parents that were here illegally. They would go for an easy test case. It appears Lopez-Gomez's mother was here legally, and his father may have been a US citizen. Even if both claims are wrong, it would require a lot of investigation and legal questions to prove it.
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No one is picking up random people. Another dumb lie brainless morons like you parrot.

Walt said:
For instance, trump's grandparents claimed they were from Sweden. That is a lie, so it could be claimed that they were illegal aliens. And then under trump's proposed interpretation, his father was not a US citizen, even though he was born in the USA, and in turn trump is not a US citizen even though he was born in the USA. But to use trump as a test case would involve proving that his grandparents lied back in 1905, and the whole cascading set of facts based on that. A test case would be much better if it were simple.
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Another stupid narrative fed to gullible brainless halfwits like you to parrot.

You give new meaning to the term stupid.
 
dancindave said:
Makes no difference to the Christian Nation Bicentennial of SCOTUS Fourth Reich July where US Fascists Masochists Federal Lynching KKKidnapping churchstate of hate drug trafficking fiefdom enforcement of “serve the Pope or die” maintains Christiananality pedophilia of those crooks on Capital Hill Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist Federal Lynching KKKidnapping of a George Washington University Hospital Washington, D.C. born USA citizen for being Islam pseudoscience national mass neuroses of fascism religion as “one nation under God with no equal justice under law”…..
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IBDaMann said:
This is an excellently bogus position to be assigning to me. Add your name to the list of people who are predicting that birthright citizenship will be abolished, and I will mock you forever as it is never abolished.

In fact, I'll start now with you. You are obviously one of the gullibles who allowed himself to believe that, aside from diplomatic restrictions, someone born in the US is somehow not subject to the jurisdiction to the US. Too funny!

I'd ask you what it is about "Da Joos" that you are pushing, but most of the time you don't even understand your own gibberish in order to defend it.
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There is no such thing as "birthright" citizenship for individuals who are not citizens or permanent residence card holders no matter how many times you claim the opposite to be true.

In fact, I can't think of any country where that is true.
 
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