Statement from the NRA regarding White House meeting

Thing1 said:
They always talk about it like every single gun owner is going to come out & join them and there will be this mass armed revolution.

In reality, it will just be a few nutters, who will be arrested immediately. If they ever do get out of jail - depending on how much damage they do - they will never be able to own a firearm again.
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I always thought that, too. Threepers seem pretty sure that the other 97% will join them. If everyone was so fervent they wouldn't be called threepers.
 
Bfgrn said:
You and the NRA have crossed the line from supporting guns in the hands of 'law abiding' citizens to supporting guns in the hands of ANYONE.
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the only people making laws against law abiding citizens right now is you are your kind. All the laws you are proposing directly effect law abiding citizens that were never a threat to anybody innocent.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
please use a less biased source, like maybe the actual documents and commentaries from the framers that say otherwise.
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There is a link to the documents. READ them yourself. The prevailing opinion was always that the 2nd amendment was solely linked to forming a militia. It was Scalia and the right wing robes who saved your ignorant ass. But you're too stupid to know that.
 
Bfgrn said:
There is a link to the documents. READ them yourself. The prevailing opinion was always that the 2nd amendment was solely linked to forming a militia. It was Scalia and the right wing robes who saved your ignorant ass. But you're too stupid to know that.
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no it wasn't, no it isn't. If that were the case we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. The militia isn't equal to the national guard. Militias were made up of farmers and every day people. We are a militia.

Jefferson remarked that the tree of liberty would from time to time need to be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Yoou can't unseat a tyrant if you give all the power to those that would oppress you.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
no it wasn't, no it isn't. If that were the case we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. The militia isn't equal to the national guard. Militias were made up of farmers and every day people. We are a militia.

Jefferson remarked that the tree of liberty would from time to time need to be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Yoou can't unseat a tyrant if you give all the power to those that would oppress you.
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Our founding fathers authored the 2nd amendment to create militias in peacetime because they feared a standing army would be a threat to government. The militias were created TO protect our nation AND government, not to protect citizens FROM our government.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
another hypocrite lib who will dance in the blood of children and rejoice at the deaths of gun owners by their beloved state. when you and your kids are killed during the resulting civil war, I hope your last thoughts are of me and of how right I was.
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They're not worried; because they'll be the collaborators.
They'll be the ones reporting on their neighbors and "friends".
They're the ones who will willing live on their knees and be subserviant.
 
Bfgrn said:
There is a link to the documents. READ them yourself. The prevailing opinion was always that the 2nd amendment was solely linked to forming a militia. It was Scalia and the right wing robes who saved your ignorant ass. But you're too stupid to know that.
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it is the height of stupidity to believe that the framers of the constitution wrote the 2nd Amendment to protect the new central government after they had just finished experiencing years of an oppressive central government using a standing army.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it is the height of stupidity to believe that the framers of the constitution wrote the 2nd Amendment to protect the new central government after they had just finished experiencing years of an oppressive central government using a standing army.
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What an ignorant fuck you are. Our founding fathers didn't fear the government they created. Why don't you fucking READ WHAT THEY SAID, instead of emoting from under the bed.
 
Bfgrn said:
What an ignorant fuck you are. Our founding fathers didn't fear the government they created. Why don't you fucking READ WHAT THEY SAID, instead of emoting from under the bed.
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oh for crying out loud. i've read everything they wrote. do i need to post the umpteen numerous quotes about all of their concerns with a new government. stop being a fucktard statist and trying to revise and redefine history, you ignoramus.
 
once again since onceler and bfgrn can't understand the writings of the founders.

SmarterthanYou said:
it is the height of stupidity to believe that the framers of the constitution wrote the 2nd Amendment to protect the new central government after they had just finished experiencing years of an oppressive central government using a standing army.
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SmarterthanYou said:
once again since onceler and bfgrn can't understand the writings of the founders.
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Our Founding Fathers believed a militia was the one best defense for the nation since a standing army was, to quote Jefferson, “an engine of oppression.”

Our Founding Fathers were scared senseless of standing armies. It was well-accepted among the Members of Congress during that first gun debate that “standing armies in a time of peace are dangerous to liberty.” Those were the exact words used in the state of New York’s amendment to the gun debate.

In the entire Constitution, there are no time limits on the power of Congress to raise money and pay for anything – except an Army. We can have a Navy forever. We can have roads or bridges or post offices or pretty much anything else that supports the "general welfare" without limit and in perpetuity. But an Army? That had to be re-evaluated every two years, when all spending for the past two years of army was zeroed out. It's right there in Article 1, Section 8, line twelve reads that Congress has the power: "To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years."

The Founders knew, from watching the history of Europe, that military coups by a standing army were a greater threat to a nation that most other nations. So they required us to re-evaluate our army every two years.

But without an army, how would we defend ourselves?

With a locally-based, well-regulated - under the control of local authorities, who answer to national authority - militia. Today, we call this the National Guard.

Article 1, Section 8, line 16 of the Constitution doesn't put that two-year limit on the National Guard militia. Instead, it says, Congress has the right to: "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."

And make no mistake about it – that militia was to be used to protect our "we the people" government both from foreign armies and from Americans who want to overthrow the government of the United States. Again, line 15 says Congress has the power to: "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions." Nothing in there about taking down the US government.

As a member of a National Guard militia, the 2nd Amendment is more of a civic duty than a personal right.

Again, it was all about defense of the state – not defense against the state.

In fact, during that first gun debate, the state of New Hampshire introduced an amendment that gave the government permission to confiscate guns when citizens “are or have been in Actual Rebellion.” To those early legislators in New Hampshire, the right to bear arms stops as soon as those arms are taken up against our "we the people" government.

Just ask the ancestors of those who participated in the Whiskey Rebellion. In 1794, armed Americans took up guns against what they viewed as a tyrannical George Washington administration imposing taxes on whiskey. President Washington called up 13,000 militia men, and personally led the troops to squash the rebellion of armed citizens in Bedford, Pennsylvania. No Army. No right to have guns to overthrow the oppressive US government.

But, more than 200 years later, gun nuts like Alex Jones somehow believe the 2nd Amendment was created for, not against, those American who committed treason and took part in the Whiskey Rebellion. And they’re threatening another rebellion should the government ban the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. ref.
 
Bfgrn said:
Our Founding Fathers believed a militia was the one best defense for the nation since a standing army was, to quote Jefferson, “an engine of oppression.”

Our Founding Fathers were scared senseless of standing armies. It was well-accepted among the Members of Congress during that first gun debate that “standing armies in a time of peace are dangerous to liberty.” Those were the exact words used in the state of New York’s amendment to the gun debate.

In the entire Constitution, there are no time limits on the power of Congress to raise money and pay for anything – except an Army. We can have a Navy forever. We can have roads or bridges or post offices or pretty much anything else that supports the "general welfare" without limit and in perpetuity. But an Army? That had to be re-evaluated every two years, when all spending for the past two years of army was zeroed out. It's right there in Article 1, Section 8, line twelve reads that Congress has the power: "To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years."

The Founders knew, from watching the history of Europe, that military coups by a standing army were a greater threat to a nation that most other nations. So they required us to re-evaluate our army every two years.

But without an army, how would we defend ourselves?

With a locally-based, well-regulated - under the control of local authorities, who answer to national authority - militia. Today, we call this the National Guard.

Article 1, Section 8, line 16 of the Constitution doesn't put that two-year limit on the National Guard militia. Instead, it says, Congress has the right to: "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."

And make no mistake about it – that militia was to be used to protect our "we the people" government both from foreign armies and from Americans who want to overthrow the government of the United States. Again, line 15 says Congress has the power to: "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions." Nothing in there about taking down the US government.

As a member of a National Guard militia, the 2nd Amendment is more of a civic duty than a personal right.

Again, it was all about defense of the state – not defense against the state.

In fact, during that first gun debate, the state of New Hampshire introduced an amendment that gave the government permission to confiscate guns when citizens “are or have been in Actual Rebellion.” To those early legislators in New Hampshire, the right to bear arms stops as soon as those arms are taken up against our "we the people" government.

Just ask the ancestors of those who participated in the Whiskey Rebellion. In 1794, armed Americans took up guns against what they viewed as a tyrannical George Washington administration imposing taxes on whiskey. President Washington called up 13,000 militia men, and personally led the troops to squash the rebellion of armed citizens in Bedford, Pennsylvania. No Army. No right to have guns to overthrow the oppressive US government.

But, more than 200 years later, gun nuts like Alex Jones somehow believe the 2nd Amendment was created for, not against, those American who committed treason and took part in the Whiskey Rebellion. And they’re threatening another rebellion should the government ban the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. ref.
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total horseshit history revisionism
 
IVAN SAY IS NRA WHO IS TRAITOR. ALL WHO SPEAK AGAINST STATE IS TRAITOR AND ABUSE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. FREEDOM DOES NOT APPLY TO ACTIONS AGAINST ALL LOVING STATE.
 
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