Strip Search of Teen Illegal SCOTUS says...

Damocles said:
I said that you wouldn't convince the government to do that so the point was moot.

I disagree with Trading with China, but I am realistic. You know "pragmatic"... That word again...
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Once again, your argument is based on a defeated attituded and pretending to know the future. sad.
 
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It should be obvious to everyone, and certainly to every parent, that only the most extreme circumstances could justify strip-searching a 13-year-old girl. More extreme, surely, than suspicion that the girl possessed some prescription-strength ibuprofen tablets in violation of school rules.


That logic is at least obvious to the U.S. Supreme Court. It ruled 8-1 on Thursday that such a search, carried out by an Arizona middle school in 2003, violated the student's privacy rights.

The ruling provides some much needed legal ammunition to turn schools away from "zero-tolerance" policies that adhere blindly to rulebooks, treating inadvertent errors, minor offenses and major abuses all in the same thoughtless way.

That was essentially the playbook in Safford, Ariz. Working from a tip that a student, Savana Redding, possessed some pills, school officials strip-searched her, hoping to find prescription-strength ibuprofen tablets hidden in her bra or panties, in violation of the school's "no drugs" policy. No pills were found.

The court ruled that the officials lacked "any indication of danger to the students from the power of the drugs or their quantity, and any reason to suppose that Savana was carrying pills in her underwear."

The justices didn't rule out strip searches for more dangerous contraband or based on a more specific tip. They made clear they weren't "second-guessing" the school's no-drugs policy. Seven justices ruled that school officials couldn't be held personally liable for damages, despite their actions, though the district itself might be. Nor did the majority even mention the term zero tolerance.

Nevertheless, the decision should serve as a reality check on a zero-tolerance mindset that can't distinguish between ibuprofen and cocaine, or between the legitimacy of searching a student's backpack and making a 13-year-old strip to her underwear. Redding, an eighth-grader when the search occurred, was so humiliated that she never went back to the school.

Zero-tolerance policies thrive all over the country, an overreaction to the war on drugs and the mass murder at Columbine High School. They are blunt instruments that assume that students have no rights and that school officials have no judgment. Under these policies, students have been suspended for bringing Alka-Seltzer or aspirin to school, or for passing a Certs breath mint to a classmate.

Instead of putting the brakes on such policies, state and federal courts have upheld Draconian rules. Since 1992 in 20 cases involving school strip searches, lower courts have upheld the practice 10 times, according to Lehigh University education law specialist Perry Zirkel.

The Redding decision could mark a welcome change in direction for the courts and schools, which retain wide latitude to inspect lockers and other student possessions with only "reasonable suspicion."

USA Today
 
AssHatZombie said:
Once again, your argument is based on a defeated attituded and pretending to know the future. sad.
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Which matters nothing to what you say I promote when compared to what I actually say and do. If you are in fact correct in your wish politics and somehow get somebody elected who agrees with us on the matter I'll be pleasantly surprised. Until then I will remain pragmatic and work within the structures of reality.
 
Damocles said:
Which matters nothing to what you say I promote when compared to what I actually say and do. If you are in fact correct in your wish politics and somehow get somebody elected who agrees with us on the matter I'll be pleasantly surprised. Until then I will remain pragmatic and work within the structures of reality.
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And you know 'what' about reality?
 
AssHatZombie said:
And you know 'what' about reality?
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This is getting stupid. You go ahead and pretend that you will convince enough people to get somebody elected that will do what we both think is right with China. Work hard at it. I'll see what we can do within the strictures of actual reality to go in the right direction rather than spin my wheels on what is clearly, at this time, impossible.

Suffice it to say we agree on China, just disagree on the possibilities. Nobody who is running on any mainstream ticket that stands a chance of getting elected is suggesting we end trade with China, therefore it simply isn't going to happen. We might be able to get representatives to limit it through pressure, but you are not going to get what you wish in this instance until some major changes happen. Changes that do not appear even near the horizon.
 
Damocles said:
This is getting stupid. You go ahead and pretend that you will convince enough people to get somebody elected that will do what we both think is right with China. Work hard at it. I'll see what we can do within the strictures of actual reality to go in the right direction rather than spin my wheels on what is clearly, at this time, impossible.

Suffice it to say we agree on China, just disagree on the possibilities. Nobody who is running on any mainstream ticket that stands a chance of getting elected is suggesting we end trade with China, therefore it simply isn't going to happen. We might be able to get representatives to limit it through pressure, but you are not going to get what you wish in this instance until some major changes happen. Changes that do not appear even near the horizon.
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People believe one thing, until they believe another. The internationalist fascist new world order will surely fail.
 
Topspin said:
I figured she took after her mom:eek:
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You don't know my darling wife of 22 years either so I caught you with yet another lie. *shrug*

I also owe you another neg rep for this second crossing of the line and the Southern Man never forgets.
 
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