Supercandy afraid of reality puts those who speak truth on Ignore...zygote not child!

In a couple of hundred years, the chronological snobs will deride us all as barbarians for sanctioning abortion. Are you all comfortable with being barbarians - the proverbial James Henry Hammond's of the backward 21st Century?
 
how about a wonderful life with adoptive parents who will love and support them......let the woman who really would rather kill them, give them up for adoption instead and then go on about their lives.....


I'm sure there are queues around the block from white couples for black and Hispanic babies, fuckwit!!
 
Bijou asked, "Why do you want to force the birth of innocent children to mothers who don't want them? What kind of life do you want to force on these innocent children, j-mac?"

So you're saying you don't want to force women to bear children?

No, absolutely not. But, correct me if I am wrong, we know what causes pregnancy don't we? I mean it isn't like these women are just waking up one morning felling funny, and all the sudden they go OMG, I am preggers.....:shock: No. They have to consent to an act that they know full well could, and will result in Pregnancy right? Was their situation different the night before, then it crumbled overnight? I doubt that too....Nah, this is about these women opting for the night of pleasure, then regretting their decision when it results in what it was designed to do, so they punish the resulting baby with death....

Like I have pointed out, there are other options before the act, and after, that would be acceptable, but abortion wasn't designed to ever be a responsible solution to irresponsibility. And it is in my mind horribly regretful, and sad the number of killed, and discarded children at the alter of convenience.
 
Let's negotiate. If we give the man veto power over an abortion, we give the woman the right to make the man get a vasectomy so there are no more accidents.

Actually, after my second child, and the fact that when my wife and I had sex unprotected, both time ended up in the pregnancies of our two children, after the second child I did get one. It is called being responsible. But if you are saying that single men that are hooking up with women that are causing the majority of these pregnancies that are resulting in the abortions, and not true family planning, then I say no, why don't you get your tubes tied.....?

Why is it that all abortion on demand advocates can come up with to defend their practice of murder of the innocent, and helpless, is to pick examples of fractions of why women are getting them?

Let's have a real discussion and talk about the reasons that the overwhelming majority of abortions are preformed on women for convenience, birth control purposes. But, we can't do that because then women have to face that they are killing their babies. What makes them different from Casey Anthony? Age of the child?
 
Do you have a womb?

And yet you presume to tell those WITH a womb what they can and cannot do with it.

How about we let the women, whose body that womb IS A PART OF make the decisions concerning that which is a PART OF THEIR BODIES.

I am all for that, they can start by evaluating their actions that result in pregnancy, not kill it after.
 
I'm sure there are queues around the block from white couples for black and Hispanic babies, fuckwit!!

So what? What the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China? My brother in law has two Vietnamese children he and his wife adopted...They are wonderful. So what is your point?
 

Partial Birth Abortion: President Clinton's Veto Message


I am returning herewith without any approval H.R. 1833, which would prohibit doctors from performing a certain kind of abortion. I do so because the bill does not allow women to protect themselves from serious threats to their health. By refusing to permit women, in reliance on their doctors' best medical judgment, to use their [sic] procedure when their lives are threatened or when their health is put in serious jeopardy, the Congress has fashioned a bill that is consistent neither with the Constitution nor with sound public policy.
I have always believed that the decision to have an abortion generally should be between a woman, her doctor, her conscience, and her God. I support the decision in Roe v. Wade protecting a woman's right to choose, and I believe that the abortions protected by that decision should be safe and rare. Consistent with that decision, I have long opposed late-term abortions except where necessary to protect the life or health of the mother. In fact, as Governor of Arkansas, I signed into law a bill that barred third trimester abortions, with an appropriate exception for life or health.

The procedure described in H.R. 1833 has troubled me deeply, as it has many people. I cannot support use of that procedure on an elective basis, where the abortion is being performed for non-health related reasons and there are equally safe medical procedures available.

There are, however, rare and tragic situations that can occur in a woman's pregnancy in which, in a doctor's medical judgment, the use of this procedure may be necessary to save a woman's life or to protect her against serious injury to her health. In these situations, in which a woman and her family must make an awful choice, the Constitution requires, as it should, that the ability to choose this procedure be protected.
In the past several months, I have heard from women who desperately wanted to have their babies, who were devastated to learn that their babies had fatal conditions and would not live, who wanted anything other than an abortion, but who were advised by their doctors that this procedure was their best chance to avert the risk of death or grave harm which, in some cases, would have included an inability to ever bear children again. For these women, this was not about choice--not about deciding against having a child. These babies were certain to perish before, during or shortly after birth, and the only question was how much grave damage was going to be done to the woman.
I cannot sign H.R. 1833, as passed, because it fails to protect women in such dire circumstances -- because by treating doctors who perform the procedure in these tragic cases as criminals, the bill poses a danger of serious harm to women. This bill, in curtailing the ability of women and their doctors to choose the procedure for sound medical reasons, violates the constitutional command that any law regulating abortion protect both the life and the health of the woman. The bill's overbroad criminal prohibition risks that women will suffer serious injury.

That is why I implored Congress to add an exemption for the small number of compelling cases where selection of the procedure, in the medical judgment of the attending physician, was necessary to preserve the life of the woman or avert serious adverse consequences to her health. The life exception in the current bill only covers cases where the doctor believes that the woman will die. It fails to cover cases where, absent the procedure, serious physical harm, often including losing the ability to have more children, is very likely to occur. I told Congress that I would sign H.R. 1833 if it were amended to add an exception for serious health consequences. A bill amended in this way would strike a proper balance, remedying the constitutional and human defect of H.R. 1833. If such a bill were presented to me, I would sign it now.

I understand the desire to eliminate the use of a procedure that appears inhumane. But to eliminate it without taking into consideration the rare and tragic circumstances in which its use may be necessary would be even more inhumane.

The Congress chose not to adopt the sensible and constitutionally appropriate proposal I made, instead leaving women unprotected against serious health risks. As a result of this Congressional indifference to women's health, I cannot, in good conscience and consistent with my responsibility to uphold the law, sign this legislation.


The White House, April 10, 1996.

http://www.pregnantpause.org/lex/partveto.htm

and you were stupid enough to believe it.....I've shown you the text of the bill three times, there should be no reason to do it again.........you can't expect a liberal to read the truth, let alone repeat it......
 
I'm sure there are queues around the block from white couples for black and Hispanic babies, fuckwit!!
there are at least eight families in my church alone that include adopted children of non-white races......does that make me a fuckwit, or you......

{I just did a head count looking at the church directory......there were 14}.......
 
and you forget there are better ways to handle the situation than to kill the child.....

Have you ever done any research on orphanages in the past when there was a boom of babies? Have you ever seen documentaries and heard testimony from the orphans? I have. One woman explained that as she grew older and wasn't adopted she was scolded because nobody wanted her. Can you imagine what they does to a child's sense of self-worth?

It's a destructive, disgusting set-up and when they finally are old enough to leave the orphanage they have nothing. No family. No possessions. Basically kicked out and on their own and then we have the old Republican motto, "Take responsibility." The anti-abortionists don't give a damn about the orphans and they certainly don't give a damn about the women they want to force to bear the children.

In the past many women moved. Many lost their job. Many were discriminated against. Who is going to be responsible for the pregnant woman's medical and any medications she may require? Who is going to guarantee her job if/when she is too ill to go to work? Who is going to be responsible for any and all direct and indirect liabilities resulting from the pregnancy?

Remember the Repub motto, "Take responsibility." If they want to dictate what women have to do let's have some legal requirements on the part of the government written into the law. Let's see what responsibility the government is willing to take.

I won't hold my breath.
 
and you were stupid enough to believe it.....I've shown you the text of the bill three times, there should be no reason to do it again.........you can't expect a liberal to read the truth, let alone repeat it......

If you're too stupid to understand the distinction between LIFE of the mother and HEALTH of the mother, there's no point in continuing.
 
So what? What the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China? My brother in law has two Vietnamese children he and his wife adopted...They are wonderful. So what is your point?

I know people who adopted Chinese, Russian and Guatemalan babies. In each case the parent left this country to bring back a baby from the foreign country. If it's so easy to adopt here, why are people forced to go abroad to get a child? <rhetorical question>

It was because they were tired of the red tape, the convoluted process and the endless waiting involved with our system.
 
Actually, after my second child, and the fact that when my wife and I had sex unprotected, both time ended up in the pregnancies of our two children, after the second child I did get one. It is called being responsible. But if you are saying that single men that are hooking up with women that are causing the majority of these pregnancies that are resulting in the abortions, and not true family planning, then I say no, why don't you get your tubes tied.....?

Why is it that all abortion on demand advocates can come up with to defend their practice of murder of the innocent, and helpless, is to pick examples of fractions of why women are getting them?

Let's have a real discussion and talk about the reasons that the overwhelming majority of abortions are preformed on women for convenience, birth control purposes. But, we ca n't do that because then women have to face that they are killing their babies. What makes them different from Casey Anthony? Age of the child?

I was agreeing with you until your default to the position that it's all the woman's responsibility. True family planning is the obligation of both parties. It's not about women having casual, careless sex and then making a casual, careless decision to abort if pregnancy results. I think the comment that the majority of women have abortions for convenience and birth control is specious. It implies that women are irresponsible, flighty sluts who don't think past getting laid, and then take an "oh well, no problem" attitude if they become pregnant.

I never once said the woman has no responsibility about contraception, just that the responsibility has to be equally shared by the couple if pregnancy isn't desired.


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its already in that situation.....killing it isn't a solution......letting a family that wants the child raise it is a solution.....

But it's not in that situation. Abortion prevents that and as for a family wanting the child outlawing abortion means there will be one million additional children added each year.

Again, check out orphanages when abortion was illegal. There were too many children even though more people were predisposed to adoption as they could always use an extra pair of hands on the family farm. I lived in those days. The majority of the families that adopted and fostered children did not do it for the sake of the child, I can assure you. Now, with so many things automated, families do not require child labor to the same extent. Thus, the necessity for a chld has diminished. People don't want chldren today. At least not a lot of them so they sure as hell are not going to rush to adopt.

More children. Less demand. What do you think is going to happen? And let's not forget how Repubs like cut-backs. Where do you think orphanages for unwanted children will be on their list of priorities?
 
Have you ever done any research on orphanages in the past when there was a boom of babies? Have you ever seen documentaries and heard testimony from the orphans? I have. One woman explained that as she grew older and wasn't adopted she was scolded because nobody wanted her. Can you imagine what they does to a child's sense of self-worth?

Can you imagine what killing the child does to its sense of self worth?

It's a destructive, disgusting set-up and when they finally are old enough to leave the orphanage they have nothing. No family. No possessions. Basically kicked out and on their own and then we have the old Republican motto, "Take responsibility." The anti-abortionists don't give a damn about the orphans and they certainly don't give a damn about the women they want to force to bear the children.

Yet they have far more than they would have if you had killed them instead.
 
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