Tea Party Activists Not Your Average Americans

Mott the Hoople said:
You show me some evidence that the tea party is anything more then mostly a bunch of angry old white rednecks and I'll eat crow.

This "Simple solutions for simple minds" shit can't run a country of 300 million people. That's a fact ya'll need to get you're head around.
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The New York Times poll said the average tea partier is better educated and wealthier than the average American. That isn't the normal stereotype of a redneck.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
crash and mott, two peas in a pod still adamantly holding on to the fantasy of TEA party corpocrats and establishment GOP. gotta admire the determination in looking stupid.
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Propped up by the corporations, the face the try to put on the group, disgruntled white, Christian, Americans, over the age of 45! with heart attack guts!
 
Yep, the evil corporations are involved. Reminds me of my favorite South Park episode Die Hippie, Die. Love the quotes when the hippie Boulder college students approach Stan, Kyle and Kenny who are trying to sell magazines...

"You're playing into the corporate game! See, the corporations are trying to turn you into little Eichmanns so that they can make money."

"The corporations run the entire world. And now they fooled you into working for them."

"We just spent our first semester at college. Our professors opened our eyes. The government is using its corporate ties to make you sell magazines so they can get rich."

"This is a really nice town you have here. That's why the corporations are trying to use you to take it down."
 
cawacko said:
Yep, the evil corporations are involved. Reminds me of my favorite South Park episode Die Hippie, Die. Love the quotes when the hippie Boulder college students approach Stan, Kyle and Kenny who are trying to sell magazines...

"You're playing into the corporate game! See, the corporations are trying to turn you into little Eichmanns so that they can make money."

"The corporations run the entire world. And now they fooled you into working for them."

"We just spent our first semester at college. Our professors opened our eyes. The government is using its corporate ties to make you sell magazines so they can get rich."

"This is a really nice town you have here. That's why the corporations are trying to use you to take it down."
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They are trying to tilt things in to their advantage.

You can not over look record profits in time of great need in this country.

There are some corporations cawacko that don't give a shit whether you live or die, they just want a profit out of the USA while they can, then they will move to more profitable markets and they don't care at all what happens to us that live here!

The mom and pop businesses and small corporations do care, because they live locally.

There is a difference in corporations and I know you realize this as well as I.
 
Rana said:
They are trying to tilt things in to their advantage.

You can not over look record profits in time of great need in this country.

There are some corporations cawacko that don't give a shit whether you live or die, they just want a profit out of the USA while they can, then they will move to more profitable markets and they don't care at all what happens to us that live here!

The mom and pop businesses and small corporations do care, because they live locally.

There is a difference in corporations and I know you realize this as well as I.
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I worked for a multi-national real estate corporation. We provided service all across the globe. We were not evil.

I view it like this, I have choices. I can go to my corner market which is two blocks away if I want the convenience or I can go to Safeway which is a little further away but much cheaper.

If someone is offering a service and I don't like how their company does business I can spend my money elsewhere.

As my green building professor kept saying as consumers we vote with our pocket book. If you (anyone) doesn't like what a coroporation is doing don't spend money there. Gather other like minded people and try to encourage them to do the same.

Hey I'm not rich and right now I'm technically unemployed but I don't look at corporations as evil or out to get me or anything like that. Just my perspective.
 
Tea Party Activists Not Your Average Americans
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The title of the thread should be:

Tea Party Activists Not Your Average Commie Socialist Liberal

Reading the context of the "survey" that is essentially what it says. Most Tea Partiers don't favor the Marxist Socialist Obama policies, while only a few others in the rest of America don't favor them. Most in the Tea Party are actively concerned about the future of the country under the Marxist Socialist Obama regime, while most of the rest of America isn't that concerned. Yeah, you really separated the Tea Partiers from the rest of "average" America! It's like saying... Most of the people seated in the stadium at the Super Bowl, did not watch very many Super Bowl ads on TV, while the majority of the rest of America did.


This is just an incredible display of partisan hackdom... the likes of which may never have been seen in the history of mankind at this level. Truly astonishing!
 
cawacko said:
I worked for a multi-national real estate corporation. We provided service all across the globe. We were not evil.

I view it like this, I have choices. I can go to my corner market which is two blocks away if I want the convenience or I can go to Safeway which is a little further away but much cheaper.

If someone is offering a service and I don't like how their company does business I can spend my money elsewhere.

As my green building professor kept saying as consumers we vote with our pocket book. If you (anyone) doesn't like what a coroporation is doing don't spend money there. Gather other like minded people and try to encourage them to do the same.

Hey I'm not rich and right now I'm technically unemployed but I don't look at corporations as evil or out to get me or anything like that. Just my perspective.
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Very simple minded view of the world. Not all corporations are walk in Safeway stores. Can you choose not to breath the air? You can choose to drink bottled water, but do you fill your tub with bottled water too cawacko? Corporations are not 'evil', but we need to understand what they are and what they're not.

Corporations encourage risk taking, they maximize wealth and they create jobs. But they don't share the same aspirations for you, your children or for America that you and I do. A corporation does not want democracy. It does not want free markets, it only wants profits. Corporations are externalizing machines that constantly try to find ways to get somebody else to pay their costs of production and dismantle the market place to gain for themselves alone a competitive advantage. Too often that leads to attempts to privatize the commons (the publicly owned resources, the things that cannot be reduced to private property -- the air, the water, the public land, the wildlife, the fisheries. The things that from the beginning of time have always been part of the public trust). When the commons are violated it is stealing the commonwealth, it is liquidating public assets for corporate only profit, and it is stealing from the rest of us. Nobody has a right to use them in a way that will injure others or diminish their use and enjoyment by others. And that doesn’t mean corporations are a bad thing. It just means they’re amoral and we have to recognize that.

Its against the law in this country for a corporation not to maximize profits for their shareholders. They (shareholders) can sue them for wasting corporate resources. They cannot legally do anything that will not increase their profit margins and that’s the way the law works and we have to recognize and understand that they are toxic for the political process.



"The first thing to understand is the difference between the natural person and the fictitious person called a corporation. They differ in the purpose for which they are created, in the strength which they possess, and in the restraints under which they act. Man is the handiwork of God and was placed upon earth to carry out a Divine purpose; the corporation is the handiwork of man and created to carry out a money-making policy. There is comparatively little difference in the strength of men; a corporation may be one hundred, one thousand, or even one million times stronger than the average man. Man acts under the restraints of conscience, and is influenced also by a belief in a future life. A corporation has no soul and cares nothing about the hereafter."
—William Jennings Bryan, 1912 Ohio Constitutional Convention
 
Dixie said:
The title of the thread should be:

Tea Party Activists Not Your Average Commie Socialist Liberal

Reading the context of the "survey" that is essentially what it says. Most Tea Partiers don't favor the Marxist Socialist Obama policies, while only a few others in the rest of America don't favor them. Most in the Tea Party are actively concerned about the future of the country under the Marxist Socialist Obama regime, while most of the rest of America isn't that concerned. Yeah, you really separated the Tea Partiers from the rest of "average" America! It's like saying... Most of the people seated in the stadium at the Super Bowl, did not watch very many Super Bowl ads on TV, while the majority of the rest of America did.


This is just an incredible display of partisan hackdom... the likes of which may never have been seen in the history of mankind at this level. Truly astonishing!
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So Dixie, the problem of how the future of America can be secured is the problem of how Marxism can be exterminated?
 
Bfgrn said:
Very simple minded view of the world. Not all corporations are walk in Safeway stores. Can you choose not to breath the air? You can choose to drink bottled water, but do you fill your tub with bottled water too cawacko? Corporations are not 'evil', but we need to understand what they are and what they're not.

Corporations encourage risk taking, they maximize wealth and they create jobs. But they don't share the same aspirations for you, your children or for America that you and I do. A corporation does not want democracy. It does not want free markets, it only wants profits. Corporations are externalizing machines that constantly try to find ways to get somebody else to pay their costs of production and dismantle the market place to gain for themselves alone a competitive advantage. Too often that leads to attempts to privatize the commons (the publicly owned resources, the things that cannot be reduced to private property -- the air, the water, the public land, the wildlife, the fisheries. The things that from the beginning of time have always been part of the public trust). When the commons are violated it is stealing the commonwealth, it is liquidating public assets for corporate only profit, and it is stealing from the rest of us. Nobody has a right to use them in a way that will injure others or diminish their use and enjoyment by others. And that doesn’t mean corporations are a bad thing. It just means they’re amoral and we have to recognize that.

Its against the law in this country for a corporation not to maximize profits for their shareholders. They (shareholders) can sue them for wasting corporate resources. They cannot legally do anything that will not increase their profit margins and that’s the way the law works and we have to recognize and understand that they are toxic for the political process.



"The first thing to understand is the difference between the natural person and the fictitious person called a corporation. They differ in the purpose for which they are created, in the strength which they possess, and in the restraints under which they act. Man is the handiwork of God and was placed upon earth to carry out a Divine purpose; the corporation is the handiwork of man and created to carry out a money-making policy. There is comparatively little difference in the strength of men; a corporation may be one hundred, one thousand, or even one million times stronger than the average man. Man acts under the restraints of conscience, and is influenced also by a belief in a future life. A corporation has no soul and cares nothing about the hereafter."
—William Jennings Bryan, 1912 Ohio Constitutional Convention
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Um yes I wasn't trying to give my world view in one paragraph I was just giving an example. But yeah thanks for the heads up William Jennings Bryan. I know, corporations are evil.
 
Bfoon said:
So Dixie, the problem of how the future of America can be secured is the problem of how Marxism can be exterminated?
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Hmmmm.... Is that what I said? Wow, I am reading it again, and I don't see where I said anything even remotely close to that, but you seem to be enamored with complete and utter distortions of the facts, so it really doesn't come as a shock to me.

If Marxism could be exterminated, it would be a beneficial thing to mankind, that's for certain. It is probably responsible for more death and despair than the Black Plague. It's also kind of similar to polio and tuberculosis, about the time we think we've gotten it under control, here comes another generation affected by it, sparking a total epidemic we have to rid the world of yet again. We should consider putting anyone showing signs of Marxist thought in quarantine for the good of the rest of society.

I'm not really sure how to deal with your thought that America's future has to be secured. It seems to me, America's future is going to happen, regardless of whether we try to secure it or not. Now, whether the freedoms and liberties enjoyed and championed by America can be secured for the future, that depends on what we do about the current epidemic of Marxism. Perhaps you can brainwash enough young stupid people who haven't studied much world history, you can change America into a totally Marxist state? That question remains to be answered. If we are destined and determined to lose our freedom and liberty to Marxism, then I suppose that's what we deserve.
 
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