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The Bush-depressed economy the GOP stuck President Obama with is forcing many people to make hard choices.

Cuts are being made in an area where they should never have to be made: health care.

More than one in three Americans have admitted delaying necessary health care due to financial anxiety.

30 percent report skipping screenings, tests and other needed treatment because they cannot afford their copays.

Twenty-seven percent haven't filled prescriptions because of high costs.

This is the reality of the private health care system Republicans cling to.

Even those who can afford the ever-rising premiums often cannot pay for care because of skyrocketing costs.

Many who need the care the most due to illness are dropped by their insurer or denied treatment because of cost-related issues.

Is this a status quo worth preserving?

In the wealthiest nation on Earth, people should never have to choose between food and their health.

We pay 50 percent more for health care than other industrialized countries, including those with universal care.

Because health care expenses are so high, 47 million Americans are currently without health insurance. We do not get what we pay for.

We rank among the lowest in the health outcome rankings of developed countries, and on several major indices rank below some third-world nations.

We are paying a lot extra. Where is it going?

The bucketloads of cash extorted from individual Americans and businesses alike are subsidizing the profits of the health care monopoly, who are spending millions to scare you into telling Congress to leave their obsecen profits alone while they continue to raise rates and deny coverage to millions.

It's as clear a sign as any that our health care system is overdue for reform.
 
Bush nearly ruined this country. It took him eight years.

Why do we need to provide competition for the current healthcare monopoly?

1. Wages are stagnant because employers are forced to pay more for healthcare, leaving less money for wages.

2. Under the current system, if you lose your job, you lose your healthcare. COBRA rates are prohibitively high for many.

3. Many people feel trapped in jobs they don't like just so they don't lose health care coverage.

4. Because many people are unfairly excluded due to pre-existing conditions. There is no excuse for failing to provide a basic human right to our residents in the so-called "best nation on Earth".
 
DNC said:
1. Wages are stagnant because employers are forced to pay more for healthcare, leaving less money for wages.

2. Under the current system, if you lose your job, you lose your healthcare. COBRA rates are prohibitively high for many.

3. Many people feel trapped in jobs they don't like just so they don't lose health care coverage.

4. Because many people are unfairly excluded due to pre-existing conditions. There is no excuse for failing to provide a basic human right to our residents in the so-called "best nation on Earth".
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all four of those can be solved quite simply, and do not require revamping the entire medical system to accomplish......

eliminate employer provided health care benefits......then,
1) employers will have the money to pay higher wages
2) since your health care is not linked to your job, you won't lose health care if you lose your job
3) you will be free to change jobs since health care is not work related.
4) since you won't be changing insurance everytime you change employment, there won't be any "pre-existing" conditions......

gosh that was easy......
 
Due to the Bush recession, many people are losing their health insurance along with their jobs. When this happens, the uninsured often turn to hospital emergency rooms for treatment.

For many small businesses, health care is the highest expense after salaries.

The President’s 2010 Budget lays the groundwork for reform of the American health care system, most notably by setting aside a deficit-neutral reserve fund of $635 billion over 10 years to help finance reform of our health care system to bring down costs, expand coverage, and improve quality.

Just curious; why are you opposed to a reform that will cost you nothing and will improve the quality of life available to all residents of the United States of America?
 
DNC said:
why are you opposed to a reform that will cost you nothing and will improve the quality of life available to all residents of the United States of America?
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primarily because of the outright dishonesty of the proponents of that reform....such as saying it "will cost you nothing"....you know that isn't true, but you don't hesitate to say it.....why should we trust someone so obviously dishonest?......
 
If you have evidence that President Obama has failed to make the health care proposals currently before Congress deficit-neutral, produce it.

Until then, listen (at least) to the President's statement before making up your mind:

 
DNC said:
If you have evidence that President Obama has failed to make the health care proposals currently before Congress deficit-neutral, produce it.
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dude....the CBO already proved it.....and it was posted to you in response to the same question yesterday....and you didn't even bother to respond to it and now you repeat the same lie....

that's how we know you aren't interested in honesty.....and you are apparently repping for Obama, so it makes him look just as dishonest......
 
The CBO made an asssessment based on their projections.

They are not able to predict the future, as far as I can tell.

Considering that there is no final bill yet, don't you think it's too early to decide whether or not the final product will be deficit-neutral?
 
DNC said:
The CBO made an asssessment based on their projections.
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so, should we use their assessment projections or yours?....since you lie in nearly every post, why should we believe you?

Considering that there is no final bill yet, don't you think it's too early to decide whether or not the final product will be deficit-neutral?
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/boggle.....it hasn't proved too early for you....what should we do?....wait until it's passed and signed before we start objecting to the cost?.....
 
Which post have I lied in?

Have you even read the CBO's preliminary analysis? You understand what "preliminary" means, don't you?

The report is described thus: "These new figures do not represent a formal or complete cost estimate for the draft legislation...
 
PostmodernProphet said:
all four of those can be solved quite simply, and do not require revamping the entire medical system to accomplish......

eliminate employer provided health care benefits......then,
1) employers will have the money to pay higher wages
2) since your health care is not linked to your job, you won't lose health care if you lose your job
3) you will be free to change jobs since health care is not work related.
4) since you won't be changing insurance everytime you change employment, there won't be any "pre-existing" conditions......

gosh that was easy......
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...as well as delusional.

If employers no longer have to pay for healthcare (is there any law that says they have to now?), what makes you think employers will pay higher wages instead of simply pocketing the money and increasing their profits?
 
DNC said:
The CBO made an asssessment based on their projections.

They are not able to predict the future, as far as I can tell.
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And neither can your precious St. Obama. He doesn’t know any more about what the future holds than the CBO or anybody else does. There is no way he can know what will happen if his plan is implemented.
 
CBO's job is to predict what a piece of legislation is going to cost. Saying "they cannot predict the future" is fucking stupid. A person decides they want to take the family to a movie. They know what tickets cost, they know what popcorn, candy, and drinks will cost. They are not divining the future by sdtating the trip to the theater is going to cost about $64.00.

CBO knows what the expenses are now for providing the types of coverage being proposed under current legislation. They know from experience what the approximate cost will be according to past levels of inflation. From that they can make reasonable estimates. Taking what is written into the bill so far, including proposed avenues of additional revenue written into the bill, their estimates are that by 2019 the system will result in over 200 billion dollars PER YEAR in deficit spending, and that the total deficit JUST FROM THIS BILL will be over a trillion dollars from 2010-2019. That estimate includes projected revenues from the current tax structure, plus all additional sources of revenue included in the health care bill.

Of course, if the government were to introduce other revenue generating bills, then that would cut the deficit. But then we are talking about the government taking more money from us to cover thei spending habits. And if you think they can generate an additional trillion dollars in revenue by only hitting those with incomes above $250,000, or in a manner that will not have a significant negative impact on the economy, then you are a completely deluded as you seem to be. So much for "not costing us anything".
 
flaja said:
...as well as delusional.

If employers no longer have to pay for healthcare (is there any law that says they have to now?), what makes you think employers will pay higher wages instead of simply pocketing the money and increasing their profits?
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lol.....
 
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