The difference between liberals and conservatives

T. A. Gardner said:
The difference between Liberals (aka Leftists) and Conservatives is that Liberals think only the collective--society as a whole--matters while Conservatives venerate the individual. Stalin summed this up nicely (his being a Leftist), "A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic." That is to say Conservatives consider each and every death tragic,
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Every death is so tragic that thoughts and prayers are the only valid response?

while Liberals see only the sum of a large number of people dying as an accounting error.
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They see a large number of people dying as a reason to try to prevent it in the future.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Individuals. But that wasn't what happened in the French revolution. The Monarchy was replaced first by a totalitarian state and then an Emperor (Napolean) emerged...
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Which comports with Trump wanting total control here. The rightys are on board. He is a Musolliniat his base. He wants total control.
 
AProudLefty said:
Conservatism is about social hierarchy and status quo.

Liberalism is about individual liberty and progress.

Almost everyone can agree that either too fast or too slow of a progress can be a bad thing. It really depends.

You lump the entire Left as some of a monolithic entity where everyone thinks the same.
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You have that backwards and the proof is by historical example.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You have that backwards and the proof is by historical example.
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Nope.

Basic definition of conservatism:

con·ser·va·tism

noun

1.
commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition to change or innovation.


lib·er·al·ism
noun
noun: liberalism

1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
the holding of political views that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
"the borough prides itself on being a great bastion of liberalism and diversity"
Theology
the belief that many traditional beliefs are dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.


You can scream till you're blue in the face and it still won't change. Sorry dude. You oppose any kind of change and liberty.
 
AProudLefty said:
Nope.

Basic definition of conservatism:

con·ser·va·tism

noun

1.
commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition to change or innovation.


lib·er·al·ism
noun
noun: liberalism

1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
the holding of political views that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
"the borough prides itself on being a great bastion of liberalism and diversity"
Theology
the belief that many traditional beliefs are dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.


You can scream till you're blue in the face and it still won't change. Sorry dude. You oppose any kind of change and liberty.
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Just because those are the definitions, it doesn't mean that plays out in reality.

The "liberals" (aka Left) want to grab guns, restrict speech, impose government only positions in education, retirement, healthcare, etc. So, in a sense, yes, liberals want to toss out traditional freedoms and values and replace them with totalitarian, socialist ones.

Conservatives on the other hand want to continue to have individual freedoms, limited government, and individual rights.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Just because those are the definitions, it doesn't mean that plays out in reality.
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Okay then Republicans are not conservatives.

The "liberals" (aka Left) want to grab guns, restrict speech, impose government only positions in education, retirement, healthcare, etc. So, in a sense, yes, liberals want to toss out traditional freedoms and values and replace them with totalitarian, socialist ones.
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Then they are not liberals.

Conservatives on the other hand want to continue to have individual freedoms, limited government, and individual rights.
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Conserving the status quo and hierarchy is not for individual liberties.

Using your erroneous definition, the GOP is not conservative.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The difference between Liberals (aka Leftists) and Conservatives is that Liberals think only the collective--society as a whole--matters while Conservatives venerate the individual. Stalin summed this up nicely (his being a Leftist), "A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic." That is to say Conservatives consider each and every death tragic, while Liberals see only the sum of a large number of people dying as an accounting error.
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That is so wrong. Conservatives are good little soldiers who follow orders. That is why Trump rules their thoughts and actions. You follow orders so well. Conservatives do not care about school shootings. They care about guns. Thoughts and prayers, not legislation.
 
BidenPresident said:
While liberals tend to be more concerned with protecting vulnerable groups from harm and more concerned with equality and social justice than conservatives, conservatives tend to be more concerned with moral issues like group loyalty, respect for authority, purity and religious sanctity than liberals are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/29/opinion/red-blue-tight-loose-state.html
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I see that the article politely avoided the issue of insanity and stupidity running rampant in American MAGA conservatism, BP, while those qualities (although not totally absent from the American left) are far from being the dominant trait they are on the right.

Okay.

Far be it for me to mention it.
 
BidenPresident said:
While liberals tend to be more concerned with protecting vulnerable groups from harm and more concerned with equality and social justice than conservatives, conservatives tend to be more concerned with moral issues like group loyalty, respect for authority, purity and religious sanctity than liberals are.
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The article is behind a pay wall, so I haven't read it.

As for the quote above, however, I feel that it's unrealistically optimistic about the motives of both sides.
These fiercely idealistic people must live in hidden enclaves.
I haven't met them.
 
BidenPresident said:
While liberals tend to be more concerned with protecting vulnerable groups from harm and more concerned with equality and social justice than conservatives, conservatives tend to be more concerned with moral issues like group loyalty, respect for authority, purity and religious sanctity than liberals are.
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Leftists lean heavily Marxist as a competing religion to Christianity. This has leftists utterly conflating conservative politics with fundamentalist Christianity. Leftists think the two are the same thing, owing to the fact that they are mostly morons. This is why their insults, beyond being juvenile and unimaginative, are almost always directed at Christians. Leftists will abandon any and all topics to throw emotional insults at Christians, with the notable exception of BidenPresident who isn't sufficiently intelligent to address any topics in the first place.
 
IBDaMann said:
Leftists lean heavily Marxist as a competing religion to Christianity. This has leftists utterly conflating conservative politics with fundamentalist Christianity. Leftists think the two are the same thing, owing to the fact that they are mostly morons. This is why their insults, beyond being juvenile and unimaginative, are almost always directed at Christians. Leftists will abandon any and all topics to throw emotional insults at Christians, with the notable exception of BidenPresident who isn't sufficiently intelligent to address any topics in the first place.
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you tend to be a retard
 
BidenPresident said:
While liberals tend to be more concerned with protecting vulnerable groups from harm and more concerned with equality and social justice than conservatives, conservatives tend to be more concerned with moral issues like group loyalty, respect for authority, purity and religious sanctity than liberals are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/29/opinion/red-blue-tight-loose-state.html
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lies. liberals are not concerned with protecting vulnerable groups, don't care about equality, and social justice is just vengeance.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
lies. liberals are not concerned with protecting vulnerable groups, don't care about equality, and social justice is just vengeance.
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You forgot to mention the leftists' ongoing war against happiness. Remember: they're not happy until you're not happy.

Their current focus is to destroy the global economy, and render everyone equally broke with no chance of getting ahead ... except for whomever is doing their thinking for them.
 
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