The End of Unfettered Free-Market Capitalism?

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We should only get so lucky. But...many seem to believe we will.

Of course, I think they may underestimate the stupidity of this country, and the moral depravity of whores like Phil Graham. I guess we'll see.

Abroad, Bailout Is Seen as a Free Market Detour
By NELSON D. SCHWARTZ
PARIS — Is the United States no longer the global beacon of unfettered, free-market capitalism?

In extending a last-minute $85 billion lifeline to American International Group, the troubled insurer, Washington has not only turned away from decades of rhetoric about the virtues of the free market and the dangers of government intervention, but it has also probably undercut future American efforts to promote such policies abroad.

“I fear the government has passed the point of no return,” said Ron Chernow, a leading American financial historian. “We have the irony of a free-market administration doing things that the most liberal Democratic administration would never have been doing in its wildest dreams.”

The bailout package for A.I.G., on top of earlier government support for Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, has stunned even European policy makers accustomed to government intervention — even as they acknowledge the shock of the collapse of Lehman Brothers.

“For opponents of free markets in Europe and elsewhere, this is a wonderful opportunity to invoke the American example,” said Mario Monti, the former antitrust chief at the European Commission. “They will say that even the standard-bearer of the market economy, the United States, negates its fundamental principles in its behavior.”

Mr. Monti said that past financial crises in Asia, Russia and Mexico brought government to the fore, “but this is the first time it’s in the heart of capitalism, which is enormously more damaging in terms of the credibility of the market economy.”

In France, where the government has long supported the creation of “national champions” and worked actively to protect select companies from the threat of foreign takeover, politicians were quick to point out the paradox of what is essentially the nationalization of the largest American insurance company.

“Today the actions of American policy makers illustrate the need for economic patriotism,” said Bernard Carayon, a lawmaker of President Nicolas Sarkozy’s center-right governing party, UMP. “I congratulate them.”
For the “evangelists of the market, this is a painful lesson,” he added.
National economies are entering “an era where we have much more regulation and where the public and the private sector will mix much more.”
In parts of Asia, the bailouts stirred bitter memories of the different approach the United States and the International Monetary Fund adopted during the economic crises there a decade ago.

When the I.M.F. pledged $20 billion to help South Korea survive the Asian financial crisis of the late 1990s, one of the conditions it imposed was that the Korean government allow ailing banks and other companies to collapse rather than bail them out, recalled Yung Chul Park, a professor of economics at Korea University in Seoul, who was deeply involved in the negotiations with the I.M.F.

While Mr. Park says the current crisis is different — it is global rather than limited to one region — “Washington is following a different script this time.”
“I understand why they do it,” he added. “But they’ve lost credibility to some extent in pushing for opening up overseas markets to foreign competition and liberalizing economies.”

The ramifications of the rescue of A.I.G. will be felt for years within the United States, too.

A.I.G. was a different kind of company than Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, which enjoyed government sponsorship, or Bear Stearns, which was regulated by the federal government.

“This was an insurance company that wasn’t federally regulated,” said Gary Gensler, who served as a top official in the Treasury Department during the Clinton administration. Nor did A.I.G. have access to Federal Reserve funds or deposit insurance, like a commercial bank.

“We’re in new territory,” Mr. Gensler added. “This is a paradigm shift.”
A.I.G. is also in a different league because of the breadth of its businesses and its extensive overseas operations, especially in Asia.

What’s more, it fell into something of a regulatory gap under the current rules.
While the company, based in New York, is better known for selling conventional products like insurance policies and annuities overseen by state regulators in the United States, it is also deeply involved in the risky, opaque market for derivatives and other complicated financial instruments that operate largely outside regulation.

Along with the threat to the plain-vanilla insurance policies held by millions of ordinary consumers, it was the threat posed by these arcane financial instruments that led Washington to bail out A.I.G.
So far that rescue has not steadied markets.

“It’s pure crisis management,” Mr. Chernow said. “It’s the Treasury and the Federal Reserve lurching from crisis to crisis without a clear statement on how financial failures will be handled in the future. They’re afraid to articulate such a policy. The safety net they are spreading seems to widen every day with no end in sight.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/b...ue.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
 
There will be minimal re-regulation for show after the bailout stage. Plans will already be in place to remove any regulation in the future. The Republican party will be the main pawns in this plan as always.
 
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If Obama plays this low key, while McCain continues to spout off like an idiot, he'll win. Try to outdo McCain on populist nonsense and it could cost him.

The dumbasses on both sides have already made up their minds. The only concern about them is getting them to the polls since they do not vote well. And only a dumbass is buying that this was the result of unfettered free markets. Obama goes wildly left on this and he will scare away the more intelligent voters that still are not sure about supporting him.
 
If Obama plays this low key, while McCain continues to spout off like an idiot, he'll win. Try to outdo McCain on populist nonsense and it could cost him.

The dumbasses on both sides have already made up their minds. The only concern about them is getting them to the polls since they do not vote well. And only a dumbass is buying that this was the result of unfettered free markets. Obama goes wildly left on this and he will scare away the more intelligent voters that still are not sure about supporting him.

LOL Wow, there are a lot of dumbasses who have made it to really high places all over this world…but you, Rstringfield are no doubt right and they are all no doubt wrong. LOL

Ah, the payoff for ten years of hating libertarians and everything the arrogant pricks stand for. Watching them look around and point fingers everywhere. "It wasn't me".

Isn't that a song? Wasn't me. LOL See? Who says every cloud doesn't have a silver lining - this rocks!
 
Obama better “play it low key”. In the middle of the complete and epic collapse of right wing ideology…the Democrats need to be careful…there’s a danger they could overreach here.

LOL.

Oh, keep em coming guys, keep em coming.
 
LOL Wow, there are a lot of dumbasses who have made it to really high places all over this world…but you, Rstringfield are no doubt right and they are all no doubt wrong. LOL

Ah, the payoff for ten years of hating libertarians and everything the arrogant pricks stand for. Watching them look around and point fingers everywhere. "It wasn't me".

Isn't that a song? Wasn't me. LOL See? Who says every cloud doesn't have a silver lining - this rocks!

You are on drugs. Libertarians have been talking about where these policies were going to lead for some time. There is plenty of documentation of Ron Paul talking about the problems in congress and elsewhere. Meanwhile, your top guy was pushing for a continuation of the status quo.

We will get flooded with revisionist history again just as happened during the great depression, but I think it will be harder for you to hide the bodies this time.
 
You are on drugs. Libertarians have been talking about where these policies were going to lead for some time. There is plenty of documentation of Ron Paul talking about the problems in congress and elsewhere. Meanwhile, your top guy was pushing for a continuation of the status quo.

We will get flooded with revisionist history again just as happened during the great depression, but I think it will be harder for you to hide the bodies this time.

LOL
 
You are on drugs. Libertarians have been talking about where these policies were going to lead for some time. There is plenty of documentation of Ron Paul talking about the problems in congress and elsewhere. Meanwhile, your top guy was pushing for a continuation of the status quo.

We will get flooded with revisionist history again just as happened during the great depression, but I think it will be harder for you to hide the bodies this time.

Libertarians yes some of them. But you ?
 
Yep I am ridiculous enough that I predicted this while you ridiculed me. Now that it has slammed you on the head you still ridicule me for predicting how it will be played out ?

Libertarians do not take responsibility for the damage their lunacy wreaks. But what's so funny is watching them point their fingers everywhere they can think of, and then you realize they actually believe this shit, and it gets even funnier!

"It wasn't me".

Wait, let me see if I can find that song. We should play it in honor of the death, a long time coming, of radical Libertarian policies.
 
You are on drugs. Libertarians have been talking about where these policies were going to lead for some time. There is plenty of documentation of Ron Paul talking about the problems in congress and elsewhere. Meanwhile, your top guy was pushing for a continuation of the status quo.

We will get flooded with revisionist history again just as happened during the great depression, but I think it will be harder for you to hide the bodies this time.


Ron Paul spouted that the free market should be completely unfettered.
 
Ron Paul spouted that the free market should be completely unfettered.

Which it is not. Regulations like Sarbenes-Oxley which were supposedly designed to prevent future Enron's of course have their own negative unintended consequences which we now to regulate.
 
Yep I am ridiculous enough that I predicted this while you ridiculed me. Now that it has slammed you on the head you still ridicule me for predicting how it will be played out ?

First, I do not recall ridiculing you on it. Second, not that I pay much attention to your empty posts, but all I recall you ever saying was things were going to go bad. You repeated that over and over for quite some time. No specifics on why or how. That's like betting on black and claiming to be a psychic when it comes in every other time.

Reminds me, I heard that Bill Richardson said that we should pass a bill to balance the budget within ten years, provided there are no wars or recession. LMAO.
 
You guys will do the same shit you did on Iraq, claiming your politicians did not vote for war.

Hey you can't nail me on that one.

I was against the war before it was a war.

I had a Republican representative in the house in 2003. Fletcher who I did not vote for.

Technically MY representative did vote with bush. but he was not my choice at all.

Something like 126 dems voted against the war resoloution, whereas only 6 republicans did.

And yes Paul did vote against it, but since you do not live in TX he is not your rep.
 
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