The end result of the conservative revolution: Our Banana Republic

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By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

In my reporting, I regularly travel to banana republics notorious for their inequality. In some of these plutocracies, the richest 1 percent of the population gobbles up 20 percent of the national pie.

But guess what? You no longer need to travel to distant and dangerous countries to observe such rapacious inequality. We now have it right here at home — and in the aftermath of Tuesday’s election, it may get worse.

The richest 1 percent of Americans now take home almost 24 percent of income, up from almost 9 percent in 1976. As Timothy Noah of Slate noted in an excellent series on inequality, the United States now arguably has a more unequal distribution of wealth than traditional banana republics like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana.

C.E.O.’s of the largest American companies earned an average of 42 times as much as the average worker in 1980, but 531 times as much in 2001. Perhaps the most astounding statistic is this: From 1980 to 2005, more than four-fifths of the total increase in American incomes went to the richest 1 percent.

That’s the backdrop for one of the first big postelection fights in Washington — how far to extend the Bush tax cuts to the most affluent 2 percent of Americans. Both parties agree on extending tax cuts on the first $250,000 of incomes, even for billionaires. Republicans would also cut taxes above that.

The richest 0.1 percent of taxpayers would get a tax cut of $61,000 from President Obama. They would get $370,000 from Republicans, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. And that provides only a modest economic stimulus, because the rich are less likely to spend their tax savings.

At a time of 9.6 percent unemployment, wouldn’t it make more sense to finance a jobs program? For example, the money could be used to avoid laying off teachers and undermining American schools.

Likewise, an obvious priority in the worst economic downturn in 70 years should be to extend unemployment insurance benefits, some of which will be curtailed soon unless Congress renews them. Or there’s the Trade Adjustment Assistance program, which helps train and support workers who have lost their jobs because of foreign trade. It will no longer apply to service workers after Jan. 1, unless Congress intervenes.

So we face a choice. Is our economic priority the jobless, or is it zillionaires?

And if Republicans are worried about long-term budget deficits, a reasonable concern, why are they insistent on two steps that nonpartisan economists say would worsen the deficits by more than $800 billion over a decade — cutting taxes for the most opulent, and repealing health care reform? What other programs would they cut to make up the lost $800 billion in revenue?

In weighing these issues, let’s remember that backdrop of America’s rising inequality.

In the past, many of us acquiesced in discomfiting levels of inequality because we perceived a tradeoff between equity and economic growth. But there’s evidence that the levels of inequality we’ve now reached may actually suppress growth. A drop of inequality lubricates economic growth, but too much may gum it up.

Robert H. Frank of Cornell University, Adam Seth Levine of Vanderbilt University, and Oege Dijk of the European University Institute recently wrote a fascinating paper suggesting that inequality leads to more financial distress. They looked at census data for the 50 states and the 100 most populous counties in America, and found that places where inequality increased the most also endured the greatest surges in bankruptcies.

Here’s their explanation: When inequality rises, the richest rake in their winnings and buy even bigger mansions and fancier cars. Those a notch below then try to catch up, and end up depleting their savings or taking on more debt, making a financial crisis more likely.

Another consequence the scholars found: Rising inequality also led to more divorces, presumably a byproduct of the strains of financial distress. Maybe I’m overly sentimental or romantic, but that pierces me. It’s a reminder that inequality isn’t just an economic issue but also a question of human dignity and happiness.

Mounting evidence suggests that losing a job or a home can rock our identity and savage our self-esteem. Forced moves wrench families from their schools and support networks.

In short, inequality leaves people on the lower rungs feeling like hamsters on a wheel spinning ever faster, without hope or escape.

Economic polarization also shatters our sense of national union and common purpose, fostering political polarization as well.

So in this postelection landscape, let’s not aggravate income gaps that already would make a Latin American caudillo proud. To me, we’ve reached a banana republic point where our inequality has become both economically unhealthy and morally repugnant.
 
And then they astroturf a quater of the people into an idiots game of fighting for them.

I will never understand how so many fall for the tea party lies.
 
And then they astroturf a quater of the people into an idiots game of fighting for them.

I will never understand how so many fall for the tea party lies.

It was barney frank and lefty thinking which pressured the banks to make bad loans. Isnt that true?
 
The flaw in this article (and in left-wing thinking in general) is the assumption that wealth is a finite resource, when in reality it is created without limit as a result of personal initiative and ingenuity. It assumes that in order for the top 1% to become wealthier that they must somehow "steal" it from the other 99%. This is a very dangerous line of thinking and has caused more unnecessary deaths (via starvation, massacre, etc.) than possibly any other ideology in world history.
 
The flaw in this article (and in left-wing thinking in general) is the assumption that wealth is a finite resource, when in reality it is created without limit as a result of personal initiative and ingenuity. It assumes that in order for the top 1% to become wealthier that they must somehow "steal" it from the other 99%. This is a very dangerous line of thinking and has caused more unnecessary deaths (via starvation, massacre, etc.) than possibly any other ideology in world history.

wealth is infinite, true, banks, governments and large corporations print all they need to stay in power, and make the rest of us work for it.
 
The flaw in this article (and in left-wing thinking in general) is the assumption that wealth is a finite resource, when in reality it is created without limit as a result of personal initiative and ingenuity. It assumes that in order for the top 1% to become wealthier that they must somehow "steal" it from the other 99%. This is a very dangerous line of thinking and has caused more unnecessary deaths (via starvation, massacre, etc.) than possibly any other ideology in world history.

No sir, the very danger to this nation is hacking up the words of our founding fathers to portray a distorted meaning.

The only ones who are enemies of the Constitution are those that try to wield it as a weapon against the living, by using the words of the dead.
 
wealth is infinite, true, banks, governments and large corporations print all they need to stay in power, and make the rest of us work for it.

somewhat true...then again, the ability to gain that so called infinite wealth is also infinite IF you live in the right country....such as this great country

wealth in other nations is in fact finite and has its limits...just take a look at post soviet russia and what the government did to its wealthy citizens
 
No sir, the very danger to this nation is hacking up the words of our founding fathers to portray a distorted meaning.

The only ones who are enemies of the Constitution are those that try to wield it as a weapon against the living, by using the words of the dead.

says the hack who just used the founding fathers to support his fascist belief that the government needs to ban toys in happy meals

Our founding fathers wouldn't have pulled the toy out of the Happy Meal, they would have pulled their charter and shut McDonalds down.

i've seen intellectual dishonesty....however, you made that comment only two hours ago...unbelievable
 
says the hack who just used the founding fathers to support his fascist belief that the government needs to ban toys in happy meals



i've seen intellectual dishonesty....however, you made that comment only two hours ago...unbelievable

Hey Yurt, the words 'intellectual' and 'honesty' are not the domain of someone like you who is incapable of conjugating more than one sentence blurts and figuratively stands at the end of his driveway throwing stones, then runs and hides behind his mommy, clinging to her leg.

To be a fascist, communist or any other form of authoritarian requires one and only one trait; an intemperance that allows one person to dehumanize, debase and then discount and dismiss the life of another human being. I am as far from a fascist as one can get. I always put people and life first, just as Thomas Jefferson did when he authored the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The most important tenet of a true free market is you can't get rich by making someone else poor in either a monetary or a physical way. Our founding fathers understood that basic tenet. They may not have written it clearly enough for you modern day Pharisee, but they practiced it by the way they governed.

If you continue reading the Declaration of Independence, the line that follows is: That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. So our founding fathers view government as the proper means and vehicle to address and secure those rights.

A word that appears nowhere in the is "corporation," for the writers had no interest in using for-profit corporations to run their new government.

When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country's founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Early corporate charters were explicit about what a corporation could do, how, for how long, with whom, where, and when. Corporations could not own stock in other corporations, and they were prohibited from any part of the political process. Individual stockholders were held personally liable for any harms done in the name of the corporation, and most charters only lasted for 10 or 15 years. But most importantly, in order to receive the profit-making privileges the shareholders sought, their corporations had to represent a clear benefit for the public good. And when corporations violated any of these terms, their charters were frequently revoked by the state legislatures.

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Hey Yurt, the words 'intellectual' and 'honesty' are not the domain of someone like you who is incapable of conjugating more than one sentence blurts and figuratively stands at the end of his driveway throwing stones, then runs and hides behind his mommy, clinging to her leg.

To be a fascist, communist or any other form of authoritarian requires one and only one trait; an intemperance that allows one person to dehumanize, debase and then discount and dismiss the life of another human being. I am as far from a fascist as one can get. I always put people and life first, just as Thomas Jefferson did when he authored the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The most important tenet of a true free market is you can't get rich by making someone else poor in either a monetary or a physical way. Our founding fathers understood that basic tenet. They may not have written it clearly enough for you modern day Pharisee, but they practiced it by the way they governed.

If you continue reading the Declaration of Independence, the line that follows is: That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. So our founding fathers view government as the proper means and vehicle to address and secure those rights.

A word that appears nowhere in the is "corporation," for the writers had no interest in using for-profit corporations to run their new government.

When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country's founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Early corporate charters were explicit about what a corporation could do, how, for how long, with whom, where, and when. Corporations could not own stock in other corporations, and they were prohibited from any part of the political process. Individual stockholders were held personally liable for any harms done in the name of the corporation, and most charters only lasted for 10 or 15 years. But most importantly, in order to receive the profit-making privileges the shareholders sought, their corporations had to represent a clear benefit for the public good. And when corporations violated any of these terms, their charters were frequently revoked by the state legislatures.

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wrong. The most notable aspect of fascism is it's merging of corporate and state interests, and the formation of a government/corporate oligarchy. That's fascism.
 
wrong. The most notable aspect of fascism is it's merging of corporate and state interests, and the formation of a government/corporate oligarchy. That's fascism.

No, the most notable aspect of ANY authoritarian belief; be it fascism or communism an intemperance that allows one person to dehumanize, debase and then discount and dismiss the life of another human beings. Without the ability to create an enemy, an 'other', there can be no human atrocities. Every depot and dictator needs followers that are willing to carry out his will.

Your description has become the definition of modern conservatism. It is a form of fascism that Mussolini created.
 
No, the most notable aspect of ANY authoritarian belief; be it fascism or communism an intemperance that allows one person to dehumanize, debase and then discount and dismiss the life of another human beings. Without the ability to create an enemy, an 'other', there can be no human atrocities. Every depot and dictator needs followers that are willing to carry out his will.

Your description has become the definition of modern conservatism. It is a form of fascism that Mussolini created.


But regarding FASCISM, that's set apart by it's collusion between government and business leaders. The OTHER in fascism, is the lowly worker, stupid and ignorant, lazy and worthy of death.
 
Hey Yurt, the words 'intellectual' and 'honesty' are not the domain of someone like you who is incapable of conjugating more than one sentence blurts and figuratively stands at the end of his driveway throwing stones, then runs and hides behind his mommy, clinging to her leg.

To be a fascist, communist or any other form of authoritarian requires one and only one trait; an intemperance that allows one person to dehumanize, debase and then discount and dismiss the life of another human being. I am as far from a fascist as one can get. I always put people and life first, just as Thomas Jefferson did when he authored the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The most important tenet of a true free market is you can't get rich by making someone else poor in either a monetary or a physical way. Our founding fathers understood that basic tenet. They may not have written it clearly enough for you modern day Pharisee, but they practiced it by the way they governed.

If you continue reading the Declaration of Independence, the line that follows is: That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. So our founding fathers view government as the proper means and vehicle to address and secure those rights.

A word that appears nowhere in the is "corporation," for the writers had no interest in using for-profit corporations to run their new government.

When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country's founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Early corporate charters were explicit about what a corporation could do, how, for how long, with whom, where, and when. Corporations could not own stock in other corporations, and they were prohibited from any part of the political process. Individual stockholders were held personally liable for any harms done in the name of the corporation, and most charters only lasted for 10 or 15 years. But most importantly, in order to receive the profit-making privileges the shareholders sought, their corporations had to represent a clear benefit for the public good. And when corporations violated any of these terms, their charters were frequently revoked by the state legislatures.

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"The most important tenet of a true free market is you can't get rich by making someone else poor in either a monetary or a physical way."

Where did you get this quote or saying from?
 
"The most important tenet of a true free market is you can't get rich by making someone else poor in either a monetary or a physical way."

Where did you get this quote or saying from?

Im sure this bothers you, considering that destroying the middle class's job opportunities by sending their jobs overseas while simulataneously charging them full retail is the new profit center for most corporations.
 
Im sure this bothers you, considering that destroying the middle class's job opportunities by sending their jobs overseas while simulataneously charging them full retail is the new profit center for most corporations.

No. I was thinking in an entrepreneurial way. If I see a product or a service that I feel could be done better and start a company which provides a better product or service and thus take business away from that original company making them 'poorer' are we not in a free market then as his quote states?
 
No. I was thinking in an entrepreneurial way. If I see a product or a service that I feel could be done better and start a company which provides a better product or service and thus take business away from that original company making them 'poorer' are we not in a free market then as his quote states?

But a better question is "is it a free market when some interests are considered too big to fail, and others are considered too small to succeed?"
 
"The most important tenet of a true free market is you can't get rich by making someone else poor in either a monetary or a physical way."

Where did you get this quote or saying from?

I'll bump this for Bfgrn because I am curious.
 
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