The Entire Star Trek Enterprise Crew Has Been Dead Since First Teleportation
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AProudLefty
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I loved his comics. They were as underground as you can go.
Few examples:
Heh at this one:
This one is one of the most popular characters:
This one has become a popular meme:
Dutch Uncle
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I loved his comics. They were as underground as you can go.
Few examples:
Heh at this one:
This one is one of the most popular characters:
This one has become a popular meme:
I recall his work, his style. The Keep-on-Trucking thing was big in Colorado when I was in HS and college.
AProudLefty
Black Kitty Ain't Happy
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In hhgttg, Adams at least gave the realism that it results in a splitting headache that's only alieved by being extremely drunk.
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You're all missing a substantial portion of robert crumbs work yaknow. The bulk of it is in tge porn section jfyi. If anyone were to mention rape culture and not mention crumb, i'd think it were a joke of some kind.
ThatOwlWoman
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It was in STL too. I don't think I ever knew who drew those cartoons. What a great flashback!
Being brain dead, a vegetable, obviously rules out any vestige of humanity.
I would like to think human existence is more than just a collection of memories and experiences imprinted on the brain tissue.
That there is some agent or essence which owns those imprints on our neurological system.
But smarter people than me have been debating this for 2000 years, and I doubt there is a consensus opinon.
Dutch Uncle
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The brain dead thing can be tricky. Is it dormant or dead, never to recover? Like you, I believe there's more to each of us than the sum of our parts. Something unmeasurable.
Going back to the teleporter scenario would the person going through exit in a vegetative state or a coma due to this unmeasurable trait? Let's call it a soul for lack of a better word. I don't know, but I do know both comas and vegetative states are not fully understood and that people have inexplicably awakened from them.
IMO, in most cases it's better to turn them loose, to pull the plug. There could be factors we don't understand. Do clones have "souls"? Yes,IMO. "Souls" grow when in a proper medium.
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Well consider for a moment that the mind and the physical world are completely separate things. The mind cannot influence the world and the world cannot influence the mind. Everyone is completly free to be just as psychotic as they like. It might take a little pratice but you can even turn the sky pink in your own mind's eye. I was having an argument in my head with an imaginary contact with a god of some kind one time. It hadnt been the first time i'd literally seen tge sky as pink but i wanted to consider it one time outloud to someone at some point. Im not sure everyine knows you can see the pink sky with a little practice. I thought to god for a moment, if i am a separate entity all to my own and i exist with the capacity to barter ownership of it then i should be able to see the sky as pink in my own subjective world within an objective world. And so, as before, i began concentrating as seeing the sky pink. I let go ans staired hard as i could at the bluest part of it. Refusing to blink until i did and under threat of letting my eyes dry and die before i stopped. I concentrated on the nearest shade of pink to blue. An electric purple pink color. As is slowly began to turn pink just as it always did as i did before, i began to see it flicker fade and fuze into pink according to my level of sustained concentration to see it that way. This time was different than other times tho. This was colorado. Not the elder battlefields of germany. Not the spacious womb of chocolate cheeses. Not the graves of arlington. Not the wildlands beside supirior grand marais. Not the island mansion home of invention behind the door beyond deaths door. This is were the gravity of the nearby mountain range can be felt as you aproach them. This was colorado. The sun blazed pink and it was an odd horrifying counterpoint of OZ. Everything was pink and it stayed that way. For 30 full seconds the birds were pink, the grass was pink, the buildings were pink, the trees were pink and black, and i begged, no there will be panic, millions will die. And then i heard it there, there in my mind. "But i can make it objectively pink also." As a counterpoint to my assertion that being a subjective being negated any proof of god and there by revoked my right of free will to believe there was a god. being that i could will my subjective world, pink, i was my only own god. But i wonder, did the sun shine pink for thirty seconds a few years ago? Was there a brief panic over a dying sun?
Tbh, i hear short phases sometimes. Usually but not always just combinations of words that dont make any sense, "pen bottle elephant." Shit like that, mostly lies if any sense were attemped to put meaning to them, and usually poorly timed to apear just before my notice. So, could have been a coincidence.
And ill have you know, all of you can see the sky as pink anyway. Any other color would be much more difficult. Blue's contrasting color is orange. As orange. By seeing so much blue for so long, your retina gets tired and your color correction goes uncalibrated. You begin to get an orange overlay. As the orange overlay subsides it fades through pink as your retina slowly recovers and for a little time and with a little concentration, you can see the sky as pink. It's much easier to see everything grey tho. Just lay in the sun with your eyes closed for a few minutes so youre constently seeing the orange that shines through your eyelids. Stay like tgat for a few minutes. Then open your eyes and everything will be a blue'ish grey.
But, did the sun actualy shine pink for a few in maybe 2018? I still wonder.
I am on your side: once consciousness is permanently gone, I would want the plug pulled on me.
It really is remarkable how much human opinion varies of this issue more broadly
The Buddhist doctrine of impermanence maintains that they very idea of a "self" is an illusion; fleeting things like thoughts, feelings, and experiences are all that exist. The "self" is just a bundle of continuously changing mental states.
On the flipside, the Christian doctrine articulated by Saint Augustine is that we have free will and a unique independent essence Christians call a soul.
It is undoutedly a question thoughtful humans will think about as long as our species exists.
Dutch Uncle
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Since there's no evidence to prove any outcome, the subject will remain controversial for some time to come.
IMO, the next step of evolution is to become one with all. Becoming one with God is mentioned in the Bible and it's a tenet of Buddhism. Ergo, we lose our individual identity but become something greater like a drop of water into the ocean. The drop is still there, but it's become part of the ocean.
I always kind of liked the metaphysical Hindu doctrine of Brahman, which is the ultimate reality of the universe, pervasive and eternal, something in which everyone and everything participates in.
Dutch Uncle
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I do believe everything is connected at some currently unseen level.
While driving today I was listening to a podcast discussing Nick Bostrom's Simulation Theory. As the link notes, it has ties to Plato's and Descartes's ideas. There are variations on the theory including ideas by author Philip Dick and "the Matrix". Most of them are too outlandish, IMo. One is the reason we haven't found life elsewhere in the Universe is because the alien, or whomever is running the simulation, doesn't want us to see it. Another is that we are someone else's dream or simulation.
OTOH, if there is a God, aren't we all in God's simulation? LOL
https://builtin.com/hardware/simulation-theory
From the time it entered popular consciousness, many have noted that simulation theory is essentially a modern offshoot of Plato's “Allegory of the Cave” story from the Ancient Greek philosopher’s book “The Republic,” and René Descartes’s evil demon hypothesis from the French philosopher and scientist’s “First Meditation.” Both contain ruminations on perception and the nature of being — subjects that continue to puzzle and provoke.
AProudLefty
Black Kitty Ain't Happy
One thing about Robert Crumb.... he sure loves women's big butt!!!!
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Yeah, he had some strange woman riding fetish. I wonder if he ever met sandy allen.
Minister of Truth
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This thread might have something to say about why Picard is so pathetic in his new show.
American Man
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Neuroscience has demolished the idea of souls.