The history of Socialism, and it's ultimate conclusion

Modern American racists have a remarkable ability to get history wrong.
Hitler was not a socialist. He was right wing and anti-socialist.
http://europeanhistory.about.com/od...r-a-Socialist-Debunking-a-Historical-Myth.htm

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named “National Socialist.” But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship — it can only be democratic. Hitler’s other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.

http://disinfo.com/2012/08/hitler-was-not-a-leftist/

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Name one that shouldn't be.

Pretty much all of them.

Perhaps the abortion industry should be heavily regulated and taxed, with criminal penalties for doctors caught selling baby body parts for cash.

Other than that, if government got out of health care, it would be totally affordable in about three years (as the market corrects).

Get government out of college educations and all the big Ivy League colleges will slash their prices in order to get students who would be paying out of their own pockets.

Get government out of energy, and gasoline goes to about 50 cents a gallon.

Some things, government should have a hand in. Those outlined in the Constitution.
 
Pretty much all of them.

Perhaps the abortion industry should be heavily regulated and taxed, with criminal penalties for doctors caught selling baby body parts for cash.

Other than that, if government got out of health care, it would be totally affordable in about three years (as the market corrects).

Get government out of college educations and all the big Ivy League colleges will slash their prices in order to get students who would be paying out of their own pockets.

Get government out of energy, and gasoline goes to about 50 cents a gallon.

Some things, government should have a hand in. Those outlined in the Constitution.

Nobody can make you look dumber than you make yourself look
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Pretty much all of them.

Perhaps the abortion industry should be heavily regulated and taxed, with criminal penalties for doctors caught selling baby body parts for cash.

Other than that, if government got out of health care, it would be totally affordable in about three years (as the market corrects).

Get government out of college educations and all the big Ivy League colleges will slash their prices in order to get students who would be paying out of their own pockets.

Get government out of energy, and gasoline goes to about 50 cents a gallon.

Some things, government should have a hand in. Those outlined in the Constitution.

Retarded racist Trumpeter.
 
Modern American racists have a remarkable ability to get history wrong.
Hitler was not a socialist. He was right wing and anti-socialist.
http://europeanhistory.about.com/od...r-a-Socialist-Debunking-a-Historical-Myth.htm

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named “National Socialist.” But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship — it can only be democratic. Hitler’s other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.

http://disinfo.com/2012/08/hitler-was-not-a-leftist/

That is not true at all. Socialism (an economic system) and democracy (a political system) are not linked together at all. It's a lie that Marxists such as Iola peddle all the time in order to justify holding their archaic views. As for racism, there were plenty of progressive leftists during America's Progressive Era, such as Wilson, who adhered to eugenics and other racial platforms.
 
So, what about Hitler's social policy was socialist?

I know the name they used, but we all know how "no child left behind" and "operation Iraqi freedom" worked out...
 

Hitler was capitalism's last-ditch defence, and anyone who thinks German big business backed 'socialism' is either telling fibs or needs his head examined, The second is probably the more likely here, though brainwashing can do wonders with the not-so-clever.
 
Hitler's government was best described as fascist. Private enterprise thrived under the war effort pushed by the government.
 
The Nazi party has its roots in the resistance of the Communist uprisings that began after WWI.

They were, at the start an anti-communist party later morphing into a nationalist movement that was pro-big business in order to attain the support of industry leaders.

You people need to read some books.
 
The Nazi party has its roots in the resistance of the Communist uprisings that began after WWI.

They were, at the start an anti-communist party later morphing into a nationalist movement that was pro-big business in order to attain the support of industry leaders.

You people need to read some books.

WRONG.

https://www.mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises.

When one remembers that the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party — Mises's identification might not appear all that noteworthy. For what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?

Nevertheless, apart from Mises and his readers, practically no one thinks of Nazi Germany as a socialist state. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed.

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

You're the one who needs to read some books. I'd recommend Ludwig Von Mises, the most brilliant economist in the entire history of the world.
 
Why was the name of the party changed in 1919 from "The German Socialist Worker's Party" to "The German Workers Party"? There are books written on the subject, if interested pick up "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", by William Shirer, that's a good starting place. Then maybe read "The Third Reich at War," by Richard Evans.

Those books will give you a good start on understanding what happened in Germany in the 1920's to 1944. In many ways it was an anti-communist, anti-socialist movement in which the Government worked for the advancement of all Bavarian Germans (ethnic Germans) while it promoted the inequity for anyone else. It was a reaction to the poverty that ethnic Germans faced, along with other Germans and an attempt to establish superior economic and social benefits for a single class above and beyond the other groups of Germans.

Its what many in the United States except it is not based on ethnicity but generational wealth. It is a pervasive idea that if you are born with certain wealth you are more worthy of certain economic and social benefits. Sometimes this falls out on racial lines, because historically only white Americans had wealth, but I do not believe that in modern day America it is a result of direct racial discrimination.
 
WRONG.

https://www.mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian



You're the one who needs to read some books. I'd recommend Ludwig Von Mises, the most brilliant economist in the entire history of the world.

Over simplified... Nazi Germany was not a capitalist nation, I agree with that, but private industry ownership was retained by private individuals and groups. The government did ultimately gain power to manipulate and bully private industry but never took ownership. This was at best Fascist, but clearly not socialist.

An argument could be made that, if you were an ethnic German (of pure Bavarian ancestry) and not physically handicapped and not of a minority religion, then you fell into a class that was to be protected by the government and if you want to claim that as socialist, okay I can see your argument for that narrow group, but the entire point was to do that at the exclusion of other Germans whos ancestry had also been rooted in Germany for centuries, just not far back enough to suit the majority who were seeking to protect themselves from the poverty of the post WWII era by using the others as slaves to the state.
 
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