Don’t know how any of that relates to the thread, but the “not giving straight white men a chance” I find comical given that those “straight white men” seem to be calling the shots on nearly everything. I don’t see a lot of not “straight white men” in the current Administration’s leading positions, nor sitting directly in back of the President during his Inauguration
The Key Roles in a Political Party/Movement, and the problems facing the Democrats
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You don't see it because you have partisan bias blinders firmly over your head.
Do you remember Biden stating that he was not sure who he would pick as a VP, but it definitely be a Black Woman?
As to White Men controlling all, I think Pam Bondi and Tulsi Gabbard would disagree.
Maybe, just maybe, you are out of touch. Maybe Identity Politics is Toxic!
Most of my fellow working class voters seem to think so...
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Trump is a fascist.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
I agree, and that's precisely the type of "progressivism" that I'm NOT talking about.
Helping out marginalized segments of society, reasonably, is a legitimate progressive goal,
but most of the electorate is NOT marginalized in that particular way,
AND you have to win elections to help anybody.
Those initiatives are NOT the issues on which a successful candidate can run.
Standard of living, healthcare, protections for workers and consumers, access to education--
Republicans are BEYOND HORRIFIC on these bread and butter issues,
but frighteningly stupid working class voters will vote for them
because Republican candidates talk to them in one syllable words and don't seem like elite snobs to them.
Democrats, or whoever replaces them, have to go hard left to do anything helpful,
but hard left on FDR economic issues, not panty-waist, hippie, fucking WOKE issues.
You can't run on those issues and win.
Actually, Harris didn't really run on those issues,
but the Democrats let lying Republicans convince the great unwashed that they were.
Frankly, I think that we as Americans are done as an influential society.
If humanity as a species is going to advance, it will have to happen somewhere else.
Some dumpster fires are just to big to put out.
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Crazy Bernie is a SOCIALIST.
At one time in our history, Socialists were banned from government employment.
Since Socialism is in direct conflict with our Constitution, Socialists should be deported as direct threats to our government.
Of course the far left Democratic Socialist loons love these direct threats to our government.
You are a Fascist.
Calling working class voters “frighteningly stupid” should win lots of votes for the toxic party, old man.
Great idea.
Go for it.
you are a moron
If the Lefties were not for Open Borders, then why were the border open?
If the Lefties were not for illegal immigration, when why were there chartered buses and flights into the interior?
If the Lefties were not for Identity Politics, then why did Biden openly state, on a number of occasions, that his pick for VP would be a Black Woman?
How does going "Hard Left" help you win elections with the vast majority of the American people, specifically the working class, stating they are against such "Hard Left" policies?
The simply answer is, you expected to be able to ignore the votes of the middle class, by using massive illegal immigrant Vote-Fraud.
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The far left Democratic brand will remain toxic as long as they defend violent illegal child rapists, gang members and murderers.
As long as they prioritize these illegals over legal citizens, they will get no traction with the American voters.
Citizenship and the sovereignty of America either have value or they don’t.
By their actions, Democrats believe they have no value.
As long as they prioritize these illegals over legal citizens, they will get no traction with the American voters.
Citizenship and the sovereignty of America either have value or they don’t.
By their actions, Democrats believe they have no value.
Nothing unusual about Biden’s pick, Black Women are an important demographic, McCain went with the same logic picking a white conservative from a red state as his VP pick
Bondi and Gabbard are the tokens, and they are there not because of who they are but more so their fidelity to Trump, Congress and the SCOTUS are dominated by “straight white men,” “straight white men” telling women what they do with their own bodies
The “straight white men” racism is absurd
Libhater
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Hey there archilles, you're almost starting to sound like a common sense Republican. You're finally starting to realize that what led
to the dems overwhelming defeat last November was because your Marxist Party under biden, or under obama's back seat dictates
was the most radical progressive administration in our history. While the progressive socialist AOC now leads the dem's pick for
the 2028 potus position, you must be feeling quite sour in knowing that AOC or any other progressive doesn't stand a chance against
any pro American Republican come 2028. Who' left for a leading position in your dying party? Would it be Tampon Tim?
Althea
Althea told me...
A: You have no citation for any criminal activity by the Clintons, save for getting a 'Lewinsky' in the Oval.There is a distinct difference between elder-spokesman, and active-head of a political movement or party.
Trump is the Active-Head of the GOP.
The GOP is a very Tradition oriented political party, and the Tradition is that the elder person elected as the Senate Leader is the elder spokesman.
Does that mean that John Thune is now the GOP elder spokesman?
(Thank all the Gods it is not McConnell!)
It certainly is not J.D. Vance. He is the Up and Coming Active-Head, not the elder spokesperson.
The Role of the Elder Spokesman, is to act as the Keel, to the Active-Head's Rudder. If, by some mis-step, the Active-Head goes astray, it is the Keel that keeps the ship from tossing about wildly, but limits the excesses, and keep the ship on a smooth course, until corrections can be made to the Rudder.
The Elder Spokesman need not have ever held public office. And they are often semi-retired from public life. For instance, for a long time, Bill Buckley was considered by most to be the elder spokesman of the GOP.
So, who is the Active-Head and who is the Elder Spokes Man of the both the Dems and the GOP?
It seems to me, that the biggest problem the Dems have, is that those who should have been their elder spokesman, Bill and Hillary Clinton, have both shown themselves to be corrupt profiteers.
It seems to me, that the second biggest problem the Dems have, it that they have no clear Active-Head of the party.
The Dems are a sinking, breaking apart raft without direction or stability.
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Messaging/Active Party Head means nothing in elections, as seen by the last one. Given that ignorant people have the right to vote, trump targeted them.
In the end, it boiled down to morons blaming Biden for Netanyahu's war crimes, and the self loathing women who would not allow a woman in the White House.
Messaging was fine. It was opposite everything that trump is doing now, which is NOT going over well.
“going hard left” won’t work, as I noted, that only allows the right to portray Democrats as dirty commies and socialists, which as antiquated as it sounds, works
As I noted, Americans don’t comprehend the abstract terms you are employing, yes, pursuing the Democratic principle that the Government can help Americans is central, but describing oneself as a progressive won’t win national elections
Democrats are dirty commies and socialists, Anchovies.
You finally got something right.
Congrats.
Biden and Obama were not Marxists, if Biden was a Marxist he wouldn’t have passed the Chips Act nor Infrastructure Bill but rather just nationalized both those fields. If anyone was the most “progressive” President it would have been FDR or Wilson.
AOC isn’t the leasing 2028 candidate, nor is Walz, and I’d love to see an explanation of what is a “pro American” politician
"What does it matter now! I'll just use some Bit Bleach!"
We all know the Clintons were guilty, that's why no one wants them as the Dem party Elder Statesmen.
Do we really want to rehash that dead horse?!
I guess I will, it might be fun! Let go back over the failings of the Democratic Party!
While we are at it, we can go over why Biden is not the Democratic Elder Spokesperson too!
We can pull of videos of him shaking hands with invisible people, or staring blankly at the Debate... though the elder abuse turns my stomach to watch.
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See “Americans don’t understand complex abstracts” above, “earl is the perfect example