The left leaned the 2nd Amendment to its advantage

[someguy]

Reagan is the God of America. Last hope

 

[someguy]

Read Reagan's words as the words of the greatest prophet. Learn his quotes by heart and meditate. This is the Savior.

 

[someguy]

Everything Reagan said was deep and serious. This was not just political demagogy and populism.

 

[someguy]

The whole future of mankind depends on how much we understand Reagan's words. There is nothing more serious than Reagan's parting words. Including one must understand that he could not say directly, but spoke between the lines.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I really do not revere our paranoid self-important self-serving Founding Racists, Misogynistic Plutocrats and Theocrats, and Powder-puffed make-up wearing Bigots and wig-wearing HOLY-ROLLING trannies. My God, did they squat to pee?

Fuck them and you too!

your irrational hatred aside, they were absolutely correct about governments always becoming oppressive and tyrannical

 

[Lightbringer]

The essence of the second amendment is the right to rebel against the feds, for this the Americans kept weapons and the feds did not become impudent, because they knew that they would be rebuffed.

However, the left used this to create chaos. Decoupling gun ownership from military training will create havoc and lead to them pushing a gun ban law. That is what they are striving for.

Gun owners must be trained by the state militia, and must be ready to rebel against the feds. At the same time, there is no need to cancel personal rights to protection from villains, but there must be order.

Hi Legion.

 

[Into the Night]

The essence of the second amendment is the right to rebel against the feds, for this the Americans kept weapons and the feds did not become impudent, because they knew that they would be rebuffed.

However, the left used this to create chaos. Decoupling gun ownership from military training will create havoc and lead to them pushing a gun ban law. That is what they are striving for.

Gun owners must be trained by the state militia, and must be ready to rebel against the feds. At the same time, there is no need to cancel personal rights to protection from villains, but there must be order.

Gun owners do not need to be trained by anyone. It is unconstitutional to limit or ban guns. That also means it is unconstitutional to require any training class, certification, license, or registration of guns to own or shoot a gun. It also means no accessory for any gun can be banned or limited either.
The Democrats do not want to 'lean' the 2nd amendment, they want to destroy it, and the Constitution of the United States as well.

Democrats do not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor any State constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

This is exactly what makes the framers of the 2nd Amendment such total fuckwits, not unlike someguy.

They decided that in a nation with free elections and an amendable constitution, it was still ok to overthrow the government by force.
I wish that hell was real so that those idiots could burn in it.

They could have protected the citizenry's right to bear arms without bringing up up the legal sedition aspect,
but they didn't because they were fucking assholes.

People on both sides of politics feel obligated to cherish a constitution that was written so inartfully as to embarrass the truly thoughtful American..

The government is not the Constitution. The Constitution is not the government. Redefinition fallacy.
If a government exceeds it's authority provided for in the Constitution and becomes tyrannical, then yes...that IS the purpose of the 2nd amendment...to remove such tyranny from power by force if necessary.

The right of self defense does NOT come from the Constitution or any other piece of paper. The right is inherent. That INCLUDES the right to overthrow tyrannical governments by force.

Remember this nation was founded on insurrection. It was time to throw off the tyrannical king of England and become an independent nation.

If the Democrats continue on their present path, they will be the cause of a civil war. A war they will lose.

 

[Into the Night]

unlike the founders, you apparently didn't learn a damned thing about the history of governments, did you?

Since they spend most of their time denying and discarding history, are you surprised?

 

[Into the Night]

Why don't you take a minute, and tell us everything you know about governments?

Take two minutes, if you need the extra time!

Government can take any of several forms:

democracy - Government by popular vote. There is no constitution and there is no representatives. This is an unstable form of government, since sooner or later (usually sooner) one faction gains control and becomes the Ruling Class. This form of government usually dissolves into an oligarchy or dictatorship. Athens dissolved into a dictatorship.

dictatorship - Government by a single ruler such as a king or queen. Other titles may be used to try to mask the dictatorship (such as Commander, President (of what?), Governor, or Prime Minister).

oligarchy - Government by committee. Essentially a dictatorship using a committee instead of a single ruler.

theocracy - Government by religion. Just another form of an oligarchy or dictatorship, with the government 'church' being the elite, and claiming to speak for a god or gods.

republic - Government by law, or a constitution. That constitution defines the structure of that government, gives it a limited scope of authority which it cannot legally exceed, has representatives that are defined and how they are to be elected, and usually a list of prohibited laws or 'fundamental rights' that said government cannot legally interfere with. This is the form of government of each State of the States of America.

A government may be federated. That is to say, it may have layers of jurisdiction. Any type of government may be federated.

The United States was formed as a federated republic. It is a republic, with sovereign republics under the common republic.

The United States fell during a coup by Democrats in 2020. At that time, the federal government became an oligarchy. Since then, the States of America have been working to restore the United States government as a republic.

Throughout most of history, governments have typically been oligarchies or dictatorships, complete with all the problems and tyranny that implies. Colonists came to America to escape that tyranny, eventually forming the United States of America.

My minute is up.

 

[Into the Night]

In fact, the constitution is a compromise between slave-owning Eurocentrists and Free.

Nope. It is not a compromise at all. The purpose of any constitution is to define and declare a government. That is it's only purpose.

The real US constitution is the Articles of Confederation.

The Constitution of the United States is not the Articles of Confederation. True Scotsman fallacy.

And there is no republic.

The United States was organized as a federated republic. Each State is a republic.

This is a union.

It was organized as a union of republics into overlying republic.

The feds are an evil that must go away.

So you completely disregard the Constitution of the United States. Gotit.

Only the Senate should be left as an assembly of state governments. Nothing else is needed.

The reason the federal government was formed is laid out in the Constitution itself. I suggest you read it.

 

[Into the Night]

Have you ever lived in the United States?

You hate the United States too. You support The Oligarchy.

 

[BidenPresident]

You hate the United States too. You support The Oligarchy.

You are a stupid asshole.

 

[Into the Night]

No, the second amendment was not put in place so you could commit treason. But go ahead and see how that works out for you. Might be one of the dumbest arguments ever advanced. There are already state militias. Get a clue.

Democrats have ALREADY COMMITTED TREASON. Joe Biden gave weapons and supplies to the enemy in time of war. He has and continues to encourage invasion of the United States. BOTH are treasonous acts.
The coup that democrats committed in 2020 is treason.

You damn well bet I would commit 'treason' against such traitors. I support the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of every State.

 

[Into the Night]

There should be only state militias. An army subordinate to the federals should not be at all. This army is stronger than all the militias, so the balance between the federals and the states is broken. This is a threat to America's democracy. The feds can turn the army against the people.

The United States was never a democracy. The army is loyal to the Constitution, not the government.

 

[Into the Night]

the 2nd Amendment was put there so that the federal government could NEVER out gun the states by usurping power. The people are to ALWAYS be the power of the country. go learn actual history and not that shit they give you at slate or huffington

Quite right. The entire military combined is simply outgunned by citizens owning guns. The military knows it too, and they will attack their own homes and families.

 

[Into the Night]

The essence of the 2nd is that back then we had citizen soldiers, no standing army. We were very vulnerable to other nations. So the founders wanted a well-trained militia to protect the baby nation.

WRONG. The 2nd amendment exists to prohibit any layer of government (including the federal government, any State, or any county or city) from limiting or banning any weapon, including any gun.
The federal government already had NO authority to pass any law limiting or banning any weapon. The 2nd amendment applies that to the States and all layers of government under them as well.

 

[Into the Night]

No. It says right there that it's to protect the freedoms of the states. A federal army is not needed, if the feds are honest with the people of the states and respect their freedoms, they have nothing to fear. And if they try to deprive them of their freedom and enslave them, they must be rebuffed.

Go read the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

You are a stupid asshole.

This stupid asshole supports the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions, unlike you.

 

[Into the Night]

If Americans don't know this, then whose anthem is it?

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the Star-Spangled Banner, in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

It is the 3rd verse of the National Anthem. It describes the British that had to sail away after the bombardment failed and who were driven from the shores of America. It is the British fleeing, leaving behind the Star-Spangled banner, and the patriots that had won their independence and freedom from the tyranny of the King of England.

When these words were penned, it was specifically describing the British being forced to sail away after the bombardment of Fort McHenry failed.