the Obama Party

Cypress

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I like this. It sums up a lot of my gut reactions about the Obama campaign. It's potential transformative nature, its ability to bypass the big money donors and fat cats, its genius at grass roots organizing. But, aside from the bright spots, some cautionary notes on the limitations of Obama, and the ever present need to view obama as a vessel who needs to be pressured into promoting progressive change.



by tristero , digbysblogspot.com

Win or lose, for good or otherwise, it really appears that Obama is in a position to renovate the Democratic party. As dday mentions, this does not necessarily mean that that reform will make the party more conducive to liberal and progressive ideas. As I see it, however, by displacing the sclerotic leaders who managed, incredibly, to make both the 2004 election and the 2000 race so close that a candidate as clearly awful as Bush could steal the presidency (once if not twice), there are potential opportunities for liberals.

LIke Krugman, I think Obama's call to transcend partisanship, while it appeals to many, is neither realistic nor desirable. The Republicans have adopted numerous diseased ideologies and coupled them to scorched-earth political tactics that have resulted in a presidency that has replaced the rule of law with that of man. The result we all know: - an authoritarian United States in which the president has granted himself the right to trample on anyone's rights if he deems it in the "national interest." The torture and murder of prisoners; widespread spying on Americans; and the use of government infrastructure to destroy those who oppose not the US but the president's political cronies were inevitable.

Perhaps opposing this monstrous perversion of American governance shouldn't be labelled "partisanship" but something else, maybe even simple commonsense, to evoke dear Mr. Paine. But whatever we call it, oppose Bushism we must. Unequivocally, and loudly. Yes, I would agree with those who say that Obama's initiatives can be seen as taking an oblique, and therefore, very effective strategy of opposition. But for this liberal at least, it is not enough.

The United States is a liberal nation. It was founded by people who, for all their failings and inexcusable compromises, despised authoritarian and monarchial systems, and prized "government by the people." If Obama can, in fact, create a newer, larger, broader, and more responsive party infrastructure - and I think he can - then liberals have a chance to have their influence felt once more in a substantive way, as they haven't for what seems like aeons. But, as is the case now, it will require concerted effort on the part of groups like Moveon to apply both political and financial pressure on the Democratic party in order to have a voice. The difference is that with an Obama Party, there actually is a chance that voice may be heard sometimes.




The Obama Party

On Saturday, in over 100 locations across the country, the Obama Vote for Change campaign will roll out with kickoff events all over the country designed to register and mobilize voters. At the event I'll be attending in South Los Angeles, the goal is to register 2,000 new voters in one afternoon. Multiply that out and you have 200,000 voters registered by one campaign in a single day. And that's only the beginning. Marc Ambinder has caught on to just how seismic this summer has the potential of being.

The Obama campaign calls its "Vote for Change" voter registration drive a mere voter registration drive. Nothing to see here, folks, except for ordinary people helping ordinary people gain the franchise.

But it's more than that. The Vote For Change program will lay the foundation for Obama's general election get-out-the-vote efforts. Obama aides won't say much more, but I gather that the campaign is constructing an incredibly elaborate online interface to allow its more than a million donors and volunteers to directly persuade their neighbors through a variety of media. Names gathered from the voter registration effort will be merged with names gathered through Obama's primary efforts and the names off of the Democratic Party's integrated voter file as well as lists purchased from outside vendors.

On election day, Obama might have more than a million individuals volunteering on his behalf. That should scare the beejeesus out of the McCain campaign and the RNC.


There's nothing shadowy about this - it's an extension of what the Obama campaign has been doing since he entered the race. He's building a new Democratic infrastructure, regimenting it under his brand, and enlisting new technologies and more sophisticated voter contacting techniques to turn it from a normal GOTV effort into a lasting movement. The short-term goal is to increase voter turnout by such a degree that Republicans will wither in November, not just from a swamp of cash but a flood of numbers. The long-term goal is to subvert the traditional structures of the Democratic Party since the early 1990s, subvert the nascent structures that the progressive movement has been building since the late 1990s, and build a parallel structure, under his brand, that will become the new power center in American politics. This is tremendous news.

However, despite his calls that change always occurs from the bottom up, these structures are very much being created and controlled from the top down. In a laudable piece by Matt Stoller, and not just because he quotes me, he discusses how Obama is consolidating the elements of the party and streamlining the message.

Obama has created a number of significant infrastructure pieces through his campaign, displacing traditional groups the way he promised he would by signaling the end of the old politics of division and partisanship.

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Stoller continues that the progressive structures built around opposition to Bush and partisan combat are outdated, in Obama's view, or at least not the perception he wants to carry across. Obama's bet is to mass such a large group that nobody could possibly compete with him in a left-right matchup from either side, and so he offers the options of "unite or die," to borrow the phrase from the John Adams miniseries. These are smart, new structures and a coordinated message to a degree that the Democratic Party hasn't seen. He's reinventing the Party and training a new generation of leaders, and leveraging technology in a way that will pay dividends for decades. Forget the "he can't win X subgroup" nonsense; what's at work here is so much bigger.

There are a lot of positives to this. The old leadership of the Party has become ossified, and Obama's takeover is an extension of the Dean movement, only on less explicitly ideological terms. To strip a Lanny Davis and a Terry McAuliffe of their power is frankly a welcome development. The figures in an Obama Administration will likely be core figures within the party for the next 20 years. The next generation will be characterized, as Chris Bowers perceives, with a set of more technocratic, good-government advocates, policy types who have a command of their specific bailiwicks, rather than the corporate-friendly DLC types of recent yore. Neither of these are necessarily progressive, but I'd consider the former group, motivated by policy over politics, far more palatable. And in addition, investing in voter registration and mobilization is the wisest use of resources that I've seen in the Democratic Party in my lifetime.

What's less positive is the centralization of all these networks and amplifiers, and how that will work as a potential governing strategy, AND where that leaves those groups who have grown up in the current polarized environment, and prospered. I don't think it's the end of them - even if the big donors desert some progressive movement groups, the Obama campaign itself has shown the ability of a self-sustaining small-donor network. In addition, some of these groups, like the 2004 structures built to run field campaigns in the Kerry election, were so ad hoc and combustible that they offered no long-term hopes for success anyway, and the single-issue silos of the past have always had a range of flaws.

Still, outside amplifiers are going to be needed to enact Obama's agenda. There's a myth that progressive groups like MoveOn would dry up without a lightning rod like Bush to oppose but I don't think that's true. People aren't only mad with Bush but really are seeking legitimate solutions and will get excited about them. If Obama is shutting out these organizers who are positioned to help him put through those solutions, can he possibly build a parallel movement big enough to combat the institutional barriers in Washington? I actually think it's possible he can, but the more important question is this: what happens the first time that an agenda item fails, when Congress suddenly finds its backbone and starts acting like an independent branch of government again, when a media which loves to raise heroes only to trash them engages in that familiar cycle, when Obama experiences a legislative loss? It's bound to happen, and the question is how he'll keep together his movement, built on his image, without outside help? I appreciate the washing away of the Clintonite strain at the top of the party, which I think is out of step with the historical moment, so much so that Hillary Clinton has spent three months running away from it. But wresting away ALL the power and consolidating it is I think a misunderstanding of how inside and outside groups can be mutually reinforcing and part of a more vibrant cultural and political movement, and how the culture is moving toward more decentralized, more viral, looser networks to organize. Obama's movement, based on unity and hope, is working because politics is of the moment, a fad, Paris Hilton. To sustain that, you must institutionalize engagement, civic participation, awareness and action, even in a non-horse race year, as a necessary facet of citizenship. And there's no reason to shut down reinforcing progressive structures that can keep it fun and interesting and vital.

We are not yet here to stay. The progressive organizations, the advocacy groups, even the blogosphere may be ephemeral if it doesn't sustain itself. If the flow of money keeps moving in only one direction, less people will be able to continue the work (I hate that Obama isn't paying his organizing fellows, perpetuating that myth of "psychic income" and barring entire classes of people from the process). Obama is not trying to sweep us off the table or anything, but certainly he has his own power base and his own ideas for how best to movement-build. There's a bit of overlap, but our role is going to be radically different and to a degree unwanted at first; see the Barack Obama MySpace page incident. There's a happy medium here, but it requires a great deal of consideration and study.


http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-party-by-dday-on-saturday-in-over.html
 
If you believe Obama isn't bought by fat cats and big money donors, you are fooling yourself, and trying to fool everyone else..

After all..he is from Chicago, and they are the best at buying and paying for crooked politicians..
 
If you believe Obama isn't bought by fat cats and big money donors, you are fooling yourself, and trying to fool everyone else..

After all..he is from Chicago, and they are the best at buying and paying for crooked politicians..

You .. a Bush supporter .. giving political advice !!!

:eek:

priceless
 
If you believe Obama isn't bought by fat cats and big money donors, you are fooling yourself, and trying to fool everyone else..

After all..he is from Chicago, and they are the best at buying and paying for crooked politicians..
Yeah.. lets see some proof conspiracy boy...
 
At the core of the democratic presidential race is the battle for the Democratic Party. The Clintons and the DLC, the republican wing of the party, are on one side, and Obama and the progressive wing of the party are on the other.

Outside of Bill Clinton, the DLC doesn't have much success to show for its efforts. Under the thumb of the DLC the party has lost elections after elections, both presidential and throughout the Congress. Sucesses in 2006 were due to a break from DLC control and Obama rise is in part due to an enraged democratic electorate that seeks a more progressive course.

The stages for this battle started here ...

"In May 2003 the centrist Democratic Leadership Council published its yearly list of "100 New Democrats to Watch." The DLC frequently puts out these lists as a way to publicly solidify its identification with the New Democratic movement within the Democratic Party. The 2003 list, however, contained a number of questionable additions, including then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama. As a state senator, Obama had continually passed progressive legislation--a record that he vowed to add to when he began his run for the US Senate on a platform of clear opposition to the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and NAFTA, all positions anathema to the DLC. The puzzling addition caused The Black Commentator magazine to wonder, a month after the DLC list came out, whether Obama had been "corrupted" by the centrist group. Obama's reply to the Commentator was indicative of how the DLC plays the "New Democrat" card.

"Neither my staff nor I have had any direct contact with anybody at the DLC since I began this campaign a year ago," Obama wrote. "I don't know who nominated me for the DLC list of 100 rising stars, nor did I expend any effort to be included on the list.... I certainly did not view such inclusion as an endorsement on my part of the DLC platform." After realizing that his name appeared in the DLC's database, Obama asked to have it removed. The message was clear: The DLC needed Obama a lot more than Obama needed the DLC."
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm
 
If you believe Obama isn't bought by fat cats and big money donors, you are fooling yourself, and trying to fool everyone else..

After all..he is from Chicago, and they are the best at buying and paying for crooked politicians..


heres the problem with your thoughts they are based in fantasy. His support is traceable just like everyone elses. He has millions of voters giving him 20 bucks at a time.

Now go look at McCains finacial support and get back to us on that one.
 
Some of Hillary's supporters are thorough nutjobs, who may be lost to the Democrats, at least for this election. I sometimes read the "comments" section under articles about the campaign on CNN, MSNBC & the rest. I know these aren't entirely representative, but exit polls from recent primaries do bear out that many more Clinton supporters are likely to support McCain if Hillary doesn't get the nod.

From what I have read, the sentiment is incredibly vindictive toward Obama, at least among those who comment on those sites, and Hillary supporters have bought not only into her arguments against Obama, but into the GOP's, as well (lots of comments about his arrogance, lack of patriotism, religion, etc.)
 
Meme's comment was bogus slander; it's not asking much of someone to ask for a little proof for something like that.....

Do you really believe someone can run for President of the United States and not taken money (legally) from wall st, industry and corporate fat cats?
 
Do you really believe someone can run for President of the United States and not taken money (legally) from wall st, industry and corporate fat cats?

Probably not, but there is a huge difference between that & what Meme wrote.

Most of Obama's donations are from small donors; his fundraising is unprecedented. Between him & Hillary, there is little doubt about who has been 'bought,' especially after Hillary's speech defending lobbyists.

It's just slander to write it the way Meme did, as though anyone from Chicago is corrupt & owned by special interests. It's not asking for much to request a little bit of backup for that, aside from "he's from Chicago"....
 
You are either really dense....................

Meme's comment was bogus slander; it's not asking much of someone to ask for a little proof for something like that.....


or in denial...Chicago has a long history, well documented with corruption dating back to the roaring twenties and long before up to today...Obama is connected to a corrupt real estate developer...and has been covered in past threads on this forum!


Side note: I will take this one step further...watch the movie...'Devils Advocate' this is Obama in a nutshell He is a Muslim,claims to be Christain,is a socialist,is a radical,is a attorney,is a smooth talker,is a fraud...he wears the mark of the beast proudly...
 
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Some of Hillary's supporters are thorough nutjobs, who may be lost to the Democrats, at least for this election. I sometimes read the "comments" section under articles about the campaign on CNN, MSNBC & the rest. I know these aren't entirely representative, but exit polls from recent primaries do bear out that many more Clinton supporters are likely to support McCain if Hillary doesn't get the nod.

From what I have read, the sentiment is incredibly vindictive toward Obama, at least among those who comment on those sites, and Hillary supporters have bought not only into her arguments against Obama, but into the GOP's, as well (lots of comments about his arrogance, lack of patriotism, religion, etc.)

Look, anyone could have seen this coming. The democrats running the first viable woman candidate against the first viable African American candidate, in a year when the democratic nominee was likely to become president, was a boneheaded stupid assed thing to do.

Let’s not gloss over that either. It was stupid. And because everyone is so angry at some of Clinton’s tactics, no one wants to talk about how stupid that was. But I said it was stupid from the beginning, and I don’t want to forget about that either. This was predictable. I predicted it. If I can predict it, it’s not that hard to predict.

But, I also don’t know how you would have avoided it. Clinton was planning this run for years, and Obama decided that the advice for him to wait until he had more experience in the Senate was poor advice. The only way to avoid this would have been for the primary voters to see what was coming, like I did, and coalesce behind another candidate. Edwards or Biden, etc.
 
At the core of the democratic presidential race is the battle for the Democratic Party. The Clintons and the DLC, the republican wing of the party, are on one side, and Obama and the progressive wing of the party are on the other.

Outside of Bill Clinton, the DLC doesn't have much success to show for its efforts. Under the thumb of the DLC the party has lost elections after elections, both presidential and throughout the Congress. Sucesses in 2006 were due to a break from DLC control and Obama rise is in part due to an enraged democratic electorate that seeks a more progressive course.

The stages for this battle started here ...

"In May 2003 the centrist Democratic Leadership Council published its yearly list of "100 New Democrats to Watch." The DLC frequently puts out these lists as a way to publicly solidify its identification with the New Democratic movement within the Democratic Party. The 2003 list, however, contained a number of questionable additions, including then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama. As a state senator, Obama had continually passed progressive legislation--a record that he vowed to add to when he began his run for the US Senate on a platform of clear opposition to the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and NAFTA, all positions anathema to the DLC. The puzzling addition caused The Black Commentator magazine to wonder, a month after the DLC list came out, whether Obama had been "corrupted" by the centrist group. Obama's reply to the Commentator was indicative of how the DLC plays the "New Democrat" card.

"Neither my staff nor I have had any direct contact with anybody at the DLC since I began this campaign a year ago," Obama wrote. "I don't know who nominated me for the DLC list of 100 rising stars, nor did I expend any effort to be included on the list.... I certainly did not view such inclusion as an endorsement on my part of the DLC platform." After realizing that his name appeared in the DLC's database, Obama asked to have it removed. The message was clear: The DLC needed Obama a lot more than Obama needed the DLC."
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm

It is really quite funny how Saint Bill and his portion of the Dem party is now the "Republican wing" of the Dems.

I love how far they have fallen.... so far that even their faithful worshipers (not saying you particularly BAC) can now see how pathetic the Clintons are.
 
It is really quite funny how Saint Bill and his portion of the Dem party is now the "Republican wing" of the Dems.

I love how far they have fallen.... so far that even their faithful worshipers (not saying you particularly BAC) can now see how pathetic the Clintons are.
It brings me joy.

However I don't want that fool associated to me. He is no republican, nor is his wife.
 
Look, anyone could have seen this coming. The democrats running the first viable woman candidate against the first viable African American candidate, in a year when the democratic nominee was likely to become president, was a boneheaded stupid assed thing to do.

Let’s not gloss over that either. It was stupid. And because everyone is so angry at some of Clinton’s tactics, no one wants to talk about how stupid that was. But I said it was stupid from the beginning, and I don’t want to forget about that either. This was predictable. I predicted it. If I can predict it, it’s not that hard to predict.

But, I also don’t know how you would have avoided it. Clinton was planning this run for years, and Obama decided that the advice for him to wait until he had more experience in the Senate was poor advice. The only way to avoid this would have been for the primary voters to see what was coming, like I did, and coalesce behind another candidate. Edwards or Biden, etc.

Yeah, it is pretty clear in hindsight. Honestly, I didn't have any problem with it in the beginning, but my prognostication abilities suck when it comes to voters.

It would have been a tough thing to prevent. Like you said, Clinton was going regardless, and Obama made up his mind based on research into his own viability & his gut; I doubt the DNC could have talked him out of it. As for primary voters, they just don't think like strategists, at all. If they did, Obama would be gearing up for a sweeping victory in W. Virginia tomorrow.
 
Slander is slander. Slander is not "conspiracy".

I dunno.. maybe thinking that lobbyists are lurking in the background buying up all of our politicians is a bit paranoid.... maybe thinking that because he is from chicago he's in someones pocket.... maybe memes comments are weak on plot there is plenty of insinuation and paranoia.... I'm smelling something a bit more insidious that slander....
 
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