The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

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The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving a scam​

The White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated.
Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.


Two rounds of peace talks in, and the basic rhythms of Putin’s unique negotiating style are becoming clear: Lie. Bomb. Lie. Bomb.

Just a day after a new supposed breakthrough this week in Riyadh on a moratorium on attacks in the Black Sea, Putin’s deadly drones once again swarmed into Kharkiv destroying apartments and stores and injuring 21 people.

After Donald Trump spoke to Vladimir Putin earlier this month, the White House claimed that “a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge upside” and spoke of “enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved”.

Days later Kremlin representatives sat down with their US counterparts in Saudi Arabia and agreed a partial ceasefire suspending attacks on energy infrastructure. Putin claimed that he had issued orders to cancel an imminent strike. Later that very night Russian missiles rained down on Kyiv, killing a young family in their beds.

This week the pattern has repeated. Putin’s envoys claimed that a ceasefire on the Black Sea had been thrashed out that would allow free export of Russian grain and fertilisers. Another lie, or at least a distraction, because neither commodity is currently sanctioned or restricted.

What the Kremlin really wants is free passage for its oil tankers and cover for its battered Black Sea Fleet to return to its base at Sevastopol, from which it has been forced to withdraw by Ukrainian missile attacks. And even as the delegations flew home, 86 deadly Iranian-made Shahed drones were rolled out of their containers, assembled, armed and launched at Kharkiv. More than 20 made it through Ukrainian defences, bringing more fire and fury to Kharkiv’s long-suffering civilians even as Putin claimed to be talking peace.

But perhaps Trump and his billionaire oil lawyer envoy Steve Witkoff aren’t the suckers that Putin takes them for. For one, the White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated. The tone of the readout of this week’s talks in Riyadh was bone-dry: “The United States and Russia will continue working toward achieving a durable and lasting peace.”

Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.

 
Time to turn the screws on the Kremlin. They may soften up some. Plus if we get the price of oil down more the Kremlin may not be able to afford to fight. If Moscow starts blowing up Putin may change his mind. We can give Ukraine longer range weapons if Putin does not come to the table.
 

The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving a scam​

The White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated.
Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.


Two rounds of peace talks in, and the basic rhythms of Putin’s unique negotiating style are becoming clear: Lie. Bomb. Lie. Bomb.

Just a day after a new supposed breakthrough this week in Riyadh on a moratorium on attacks in the Black Sea, Putin’s deadly drones once again swarmed into Kharkiv destroying apartments and stores and injuring 21 people.

After Donald Trump spoke to Vladimir Putin earlier this month, the White House claimed that “a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge upside” and spoke of “enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved”.

Days later Kremlin representatives sat down with their US counterparts in Saudi Arabia and agreed a partial ceasefire suspending attacks on energy infrastructure. Putin claimed that he had issued orders to cancel an imminent strike. Later that very night Russian missiles rained down on Kyiv, killing a young family in their beds.

This week the pattern has repeated. Putin’s envoys claimed that a ceasefire on the Black Sea had been thrashed out that would allow free export of Russian grain and fertilisers. Another lie, or at least a distraction, because neither commodity is currently sanctioned or restricted.

What the Kremlin really wants is free passage for its oil tankers and cover for its battered Black Sea Fleet to return to its base at Sevastopol, from which it has been forced to withdraw by Ukrainian missile attacks. And even as the delegations flew home, 86 deadly Iranian-made Shahed drones were rolled out of their containers, assembled, armed and launched at Kharkiv. More than 20 made it through Ukrainian defences, bringing more fire and fury to Kharkiv’s long-suffering civilians even as Putin claimed to be talking peace.

But perhaps Trump and his billionaire oil lawyer envoy Steve Witkoff aren’t the suckers that Putin takes them for. For one, the White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated. The tone of the readout of this week’s talks in Riyadh was bone-dry: “The United States and Russia will continue working toward achieving a durable and lasting peace.”

Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.

Putin is not going to cease fire as long as Zelensky keeps prosecuting the war.
 

The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving a scam​

The White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated.
Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.


Two rounds of peace talks in, and the basic rhythms of Putin’s unique negotiating style are becoming clear: Lie. Bomb. Lie. Bomb.

Just a day after a new supposed breakthrough this week in Riyadh on a moratorium on attacks in the Black Sea, Putin’s deadly drones once again swarmed into Kharkiv destroying apartments and stores and injuring 21 people.

After Donald Trump spoke to Vladimir Putin earlier this month, the White House claimed that “a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge upside” and spoke of “enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved”.

Days later Kremlin representatives sat down with their US counterparts in Saudi Arabia and agreed a partial ceasefire suspending attacks on energy infrastructure. Putin claimed that he had issued orders to cancel an imminent strike. Later that very night Russian missiles rained down on Kyiv, killing a young family in their beds.

This week the pattern has repeated. Putin’s envoys claimed that a ceasefire on the Black Sea had been thrashed out that would allow free export of Russian grain and fertilisers. Another lie, or at least a distraction, because neither commodity is currently sanctioned or restricted.

What the Kremlin really wants is free passage for its oil tankers and cover for its battered Black Sea Fleet to return to its base at Sevastopol, from which it has been forced to withdraw by Ukrainian missile attacks. And even as the delegations flew home, 86 deadly Iranian-made Shahed drones were rolled out of their containers, assembled, armed and launched at Kharkiv. More than 20 made it through Ukrainian defences, bringing more fire and fury to Kharkiv’s long-suffering civilians even as Putin claimed to be talking peace.

But perhaps Trump and his billionaire oil lawyer envoy Steve Witkoff aren’t the suckers that Putin takes them for. For one, the White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated. The tone of the readout of this week’s talks in Riyadh was bone-dry: “The United States and Russia will continue working toward achieving a durable and lasting peace.”

Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.

Trump is a POS, but at least he trying to end the war, unlike Biden.
 
Trump runs the most powerful country in the world the bother runs a gas station that masquerades as a country. They aren't even close.

Two months ago:


Trump supporters: "Trump is a master negotiator who is bringing peace to Ukraine!"

Me: "Putin has no intention of settling for anything but unequivocal victory and the total annexation of large amounts of Ukraine."
 
Trump is a POS, but at least he trying to end the war, unlike Biden.
He's trying to end it on terms favorable to Putin.

Why not let Ukrainians themselves decide when they want to concede? Why substitute your judgment for theirs? I always thought Libertarians supposedly believed in the inherent right to self-defense of one's property, life, and sovereign territory.
 
He's trying to end it on terms favorable to Putin.

Why not let Ukrainians themselves decide when they want to concede? Why substitute your judgment for theirs? I always thought Libertarians supposedly believed in the inherent right to self-defense of one's property, life, and sovereign territory.
Ukraine has a right to self defense. Everyone does, but we (US) don't have a obligation to indefinitely fund their fighting.
 
I heard on my grapevine today the theory that what Trump is trying to do is make a deal with the Russians in Ukraine, largely complying with their capitulation demands, and then immediately launch war on Iran if they dont comply with our demands to disarm and follow our instructions on a broad range of subjects. The theory is that the Russians either wont support Iran or Iran will fear that they wont because the Americans will threaten to go back on all the deals with the Russians we had just made. This is supposed to be the route to mastery of Iran.

This wont work, the Russians already dont think that deals with America are generally worthwhile because we never honor our words...all this will show them is that nothing is different under Trump.....which they already fear is true .

Almost no one on my grapevine doubts that both Russia and China will support Iran against America, under the theory that they hang together or they hang separately.

I heard this on Judge Nap.....but I dont remember who said it.
 
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