The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

Scott said:
Alright, thanks for the elaboration.



The war isn't over yet. As I've mentioned before, there's a lot of evidence that Russia is gunning for Odessa in the near future. I for one would prefer that Ukraine takes Russia's offer of peace now, as Putin has said that Ukraine could keep Odessa and other areas it's planning on attacking soon if they do so. Failing that, I believe that not only will Ukraine lose more soldiers, but a lot more land as well.
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The Rumor that the Russians intend to do a crushing summer offensive seem to be true as they watch the NATO army break down, with NATO casualties spiking.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The Rumor that the Russians intend to do a crushing summer offensive seem to be true as they watch the NATO army break down, with NATO casualties spiking.
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Yep, which is why I think that if Ukraine doesn't make a peace deal now or very soon, they'll be losing a lot more land and soldiers.
 
Scott said:
Yep, which is why I think that if Ukraine doesn't make a peace deal now or very soon, they'll be losing a lot more land and soldiers.
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NATO is almost certainly toast, as many of my grapevine predicted at the jump, but their refusal to bail out of this debacle now as it is clear that they have lost makes it all worse. But they refuse to face reality, they think that this is a stalemate, and that if they keep pushing then they will win, their minds cant process that the mighty West could lose against the Russians.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
NATO is almost certainly toast, as many of my grapevine predicted at the jump, but their refusal to bail out of this debacle now as it is clear that they have lost makes it all worse. But they refuse to face reality, they think that this is a stalemate, and that if they keep pushing then they will win, their minds cant process that the mighty West could lose against the Russians.
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Yeah, it's pretty sad. The worst of it is that they're not even on the right side in my view.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The West is dying, and American Empire is leaving.....whether we incinerate the planet on the way out has yet to be seen...but things dont look good at the moment.
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Trump may have his flaws, but he at least seems a -tad- more cautious than Biden when it comes to escalating things with Russia.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trumps Big Swinging Dick foreign policy makes things worse not better.
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In the middle east maybe, but I still think he's doing better in Russia that the Biden Administration was. The Biden Administration did pretty much 0 diplomacy during the first 3 years of Russia's military operation in Ukraine. Trump isn't even 3 months in and he's done a bunch of talks. Yes, talks where it's clear that he's not yet willing to give Russia enough to make a peace deal worth its while, but like I said, less than 3 months so far. Let's see what he can accomplish in 3 years.
 
Scott said:
In the middle east maybe, but I still think he's doing better in Russia that the Biden Administration was. The Biden Administration did pretty much 0 diplomacy during the first 3 years of Russia's military operation in Ukraine. Trump isn't even 3 months in and he's done a bunch of talks. Yes, talks where it's clear that he's not yet willing to give Russia enough to make a peace deal worth its while, but like I said, less than 3 months so far. Let's see what he can accomplish in 3 years.
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NATO casualties are spiking, by Trumps own measure he is failing.
 
Scott said:
I haven't seen the U.S. or anyone else suggest that they would be willing to allow Russia to keep what it currently controls and in exchange, he would relenquish any claim to what he doesn't yet control. If things were worded in such a way, I highly suspect Putin would go for it. Failing this recognition, I can see why he's thinking he might as well go for all parts of these regions. It would also reduce Ukraine's army size, which I know is one of the things he'd like to achieve for any lasting peace agreement. Finally, he has not -yet- taken these in war. The war is not over and from what I've seen, Russia is clearly winning it. The more time Ukraine dithers on negotiating an end, the more land Russia is likely to take. And any land it takes, I think it's unlikely it would give back at this point.have abandoned our ally, just as we did the Kurds.
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Hawkeye10 said:
NATO is almost certainly toast, as many of my grapevine predicted at the jump, but their refusal to bail out of this debacle now as it is clear that they have lost makes it all worse. But they refuse to face reality, they think that this is a stalemate, and that if they keep pushing then they will win, their minds cant process that the mighty West could lose against the Russians.
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Russian is in debt up its wazoo.They
Scott said:
In the middle east maybe, but I still think he's doing better in Russia that the Biden Administration was. The Biden Administration did pretty much 0 diplomacy during the first 3 years of Russia's military operation in Ukraine. Trump isn't even 3 months in and he's done a bunch of talks. Yes, talks where it's clear that he's not yet willing to give Russia enough to make a peace deal worth its while, but like I said, less than 3 months so far. Let's see what he can accomplish in 3 years.
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What does diplomacy look like with a man like Putin who does not respect anything but himself and his vision for Russia?
 
In continuing to claim that this is a war between Ukraine and Russia Trump exactly nowhere.....he has not even begun to deal with the situation.

Scott has the same problem.
 
Russia demands what it has been demanding for many years.....the end of NATO aggression against it.....the end of America and Europe seeking the strategic defeat of Russia.

Till America and Europe show up ready to talk about that.....
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Scott said:
In the middle east maybe, but I still think he's doing better in Russia that the Biden Administration was. The Biden Administration did pretty much 0 diplomacy during the first 3 years of Russia's military operation in Ukraine. Trump isn't even 3 months in and he's done a bunch of talks. Yes, talks where it's clear that he's not yet willing to give Russia enough to make a peace deal worth its while, but like I said, less than 3 months so far. Let's see what he can accomplish in 3 years.
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NATO casualties are spiking, by Trumps own measure he is failing.
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He's at least trying to find a peaceful solution in Ukraine. NATO isn't just the United States- it's clear that many European elites have gone off the deep end when it comes to their ideas on how best to deal with the Ukraine war.
 
Scott said:
He's at least trying to find a peaceful solution in Ukraine. NATO isn't just the United States- it's clear that many European elites have gone off the deep end when it comes to their ideas on how best to deal with the Ukraine war.
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If he wanted peace he could have and should have taken America out of this war....instead he pretends that it is between Ukraine and Russia as he puts himself out there as an imaginary peacemaker and goes into a snit when Russia refuses to go along with the scam.
 
Phantasmal said:
Russian is in debt up its wazoo.
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Absolute nonsense. Russia debt as a percentage of its GDP is only 14.9%. I don't know a single European country whose debt is less than 20% of GDP. Canada's is 108%, the United States is 122%. You may wish to take a look at the following website to better inform yourself as to country's debt in relation to their GDP:

Debt to GDP Ratio by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com worldpopulationreview.com
 
Scott said:
Absolute nonsense. Russia debt as a percentage of its GDP is only 14.9%. I don't know a single European country whose debt is less than 20% of GDP. Canada's is 108%, the United States is 122%. You may wish to take a look at the following website to better inform yourself as to country's debt in relation to their GDP:

Debt to GDP Ratio by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com worldpopulationreview.com
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And that is even before we talk about how Western GDP numbers have been massively inflated through financial sector hocus-pocus.
 
Scott said:
Absolute nonsense. Russia debt as a percentage of its GDP is only 14.9%. I don't know a single European country whose debt is less than 20% of GDP. Canada's is 108%, the United States is 122%. You may wish to take a look at the following website to better inform yourself as to country's debt in relation to their GDP:

Debt to GDP Ratio by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com worldpopulationreview.com
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Check the news.
 
Phantasmal said:
Scott said:
In the middle east maybe, but I still think he's doing better in Russia that the Biden Administration was. The Biden Administration did pretty much 0 diplomacy during the first 3 years of Russia's military operation in Ukraine. Trump isn't even 3 months in and he's done a bunch of talks. Yes, talks where it's clear that he's not yet willing to give Russia enough to make a peace deal worth its while, but like I said, less than 3 months so far. Let's see what he can accomplish in 3 years.
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What does diplomacy look like with a man like Putin who does not respect anything but himself and his vision for Russia?
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Again, this is nonsense. Russia had the presence of mind to create BRIC, now BRICS+, which is clearly an organization that is well adapted to the multi polar world that Russia, China and many others would like to encourage. A bit of info on its creation:
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What are its origins?​

The term was originally coined by Goldman Sachs economist Jim O’Neill in a 2001 research paper in which he argued that the growth of what was then the “BRIC” countries (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) was poised to challenge the dominant G7 wealthy economies.

Russia was the first to call a convening of the four countries, a decision analysts say was driven by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s growing desire to create a counterweight to the West. Russia hosted the first official BRIC summit in 2009, and South Africa joined a year later by invitation from China, forming the five-country grouping that would persist for more than a decade.

The next wave of expansion came at the 2023 BRICS summit, with invitations extended to six newcomers: Argentina, Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (UAE). All accepted except Argentina, after its newly elected President Javier Milei pledged to turn the country in a pro-West direction, saying that it would not “ally with communists.” Saudi Arabia has reportedly accepted the membership, but has delayed officially joining without giving detailed further explanation.
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Full article:
www.cfr.org

What Is the BRICS Group and Why Is It Expanding?

As BRICS grows in both membership and global sway, its expansion comes with divisions among its members old and new on how to set the stage for a revised world order.
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As to the war in Ukraine, Russian politicians were all but unanimous in making that decision. As a matter of fact, Russia's Duma/Parliament was pushing Putin to recognize the Donbass Republics on February 15th, which Putin originally refused. It was only after Ukraine's military bombardment of the rebel Donbass Republics for 6 days that Putin finally relented and recognized them on February 21st, and only 3 days later did he finally decide that recognizing themwithout actually helping them fight off Ukraine's military would mean little.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Scott said:
He's at least trying to find a peaceful solution in Ukraine. NATO isn't just the United States- it's clear that many European elites have gone off the deep end when it comes to their ideas on how best to deal with the Ukraine war.
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If he wanted peace he could have and should have taken America out of this war....instead he pretends that it is between Ukraine and Russia as he puts himself out there as an imaginary peacemaker and goes into a snit when Russia refuses to go along with the scam.
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I think we can both agree that Trump's not the best peace maker, but I continue to consider the fact that Biden's administration didn't even try. The bar in the U.S. had just been so low for so long that it's actually hard -not- to improve on the dismal statement of diplomacy that existed during Biden's time.
 
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