Convincing you of that is the art of acting.I can believe that Zelensky believes what he says, but that doesn't mean that what he or his office says is always true. I think the following point made in Simplicius article is good:
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The most interesting statement was made by CBS itself, attributed to Zelensky on social media—that Ukraine has up to “100,000 soldiers dead”:
Zelensky’s press office immediately sprang into damage control:
So, Ukraine is still officially toting the 45k dead line. Funny how back in May 2022, Zelensky essentially admitted 100 KIA per day in the much lower intensity fighting:
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I say ‘low intensity’ because this was long before the Russian mobilization—at this point maybe 150-200k total Russian troops had been involved in the war, compared to the 600k+ seen today. The war is now on day 1145, if you multiply that by 100 KIA per day, you get a minimum of ~115,000. But as I said, the frontline was much smaller back then, and we can expect for the casualties to have skyrocketed by now, which one can extrapolate to mean that the real figure is far higher than 115k.
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Source:
Zelensky Charms CBS, as Trump Throws Impatient Tantrum
Today brings us a new 60 Minutes interview with Zelensky, which was rife with ‘interesting’ moments, the first being Zelensky’s proclamation of his undying hatred for Putin:simplicius76.substack.com
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Scott
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Do you have any evidence that Zelensky doesn't believe what he says?
All of the videos of him saying that the Ukrainians and the Russians have no reason to not get along, that he campaigned on peace with Russia, that he barely speaks Ukrainian, he speaks Russian.
Scott
Verified User
These videos of Zelensky saying that Ukrainians and Russians have no reason to not get along, are they recent? As to Zelensky campaigning of a peace deal with Russia, that's true. Unfortunately, the U.S. never supported his efforts in that direction. An article on that:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
scheerpost.com
As to Zelensky barely speaking Ukrainian, I believe that may have been true at some point, but I believe I read somewhere that he's been taking lessons in Ukrainian for some time now.
Actors taking lessons to prepare for their role being very common.These videos of Zelensky saying that Ukrainians and Russians have no reason to not get along, are they recent? As to Zelensky campaigning of a peace deal with Russia, that's true. Unfortunately, the U.S. never supported his efforts in that direction. An article on that:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
As to Zelensky barely speaking Ukrainian, I believe that may have been true at some point, but I believe I read somewhere that he's been taking lessons in Ukrainian for some time now.
Scott
Verified User
Well, we agree that Zelensky's going the wrong way- in the end, does it really matter if he believes he's doing the right thing or he knows he's doing the wrong thing? The end result will be the same, the collapse of his Administration.
Russia wants too much of his country, that is the direction he is going in, preserving Ukraine.
“The Russian president has made no secret of the fact that he believes Ukraine should not exist as an independent state and he has repeatedly said he wants NATO to shrink back to its Cold War-era size.
But more than anything, he wants to see a new global order — and he wants Russia to play the starring role in it.”
Scott
Verified User
No, he's been integral in its destruction since the start of Russia's military operation in Ukraine. He had a chance to pull back from the abyss, but alas, the west encouraged him to rush forward instead:
If it's not secret, why doesn't that CNN article actually quote him saying so? The mainstream media is so full of lies.
The cold war-era size bit certainly makes sense. While the west can't change the fact that it broke its word after it said that it wouldn't expand one inch east of Germany, it can at least start undoing the damage.
He's not the only one. Assuming humanity manages to avoid a nuclear holocaust, we're fast approaching a multi polar world. Russian Philosopher Alexander Dugin published an article on the subject on his substack page today. It can be seen here:
Quoting part of it below:
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Now we have reached a moment where a global restructuring of the entire world has begun. In these conditions, only great powers capable of integration will be able to preserve their sovereignty. Small states are already being forced to choose which great power to align with. If they fail to make this choice, they face the grim prospect of being torn apart under the pressure of these great powers, which are now becoming the primary and sole actors in global politics.
This is the multipolar world, which we may have imagined quite differently. Yes, it is rather strict, with very rigid rules, and if you do not possess fundamental economic, political, military, strategic, resource, and territorial sovereignty, your fate is grim. One must choose a bloc to join.
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Mr. Dugin than argues that the "only reasonable path for the majority of post-Soviet states is to become part of a Eurasian macro-state." I don't know if he's right, but I suspect he may well be. I think it's safe to say that post Euromaidan Ukrainian government's decision to try to integrate with western powers since 2014 has been disastrous.
Russian propaganda.No, he's been integral in its destruction since the start of Russia's military operation in Ukraine. He had a chance to pull back from the abyss, but alas, the west encouraged him to rush forward instead:
If it's not secret, why doesn't that CNN article actually quote him saying so? The mainstream media is so full of lies.
The cold war-era size bit certainly makes sense. While the west can't change the fact that it broke its word after it said that it wouldn't expand one inch east of Germany, it can at least start undoing the damage.
He's not the only one. Assuming humanity manages to avoid a nuclear holocaust, we're fast approaching a multi polar world. Russian Philosopher Alexander Dugin published an article on the subject on his substack page today. It can be seen here:
Quoting part of it below:
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Now we have reached a moment where a global restructuring of the entire world has begun. In these conditions, only great powers capable of integration will be able to preserve their sovereignty. Small states are already being forced to choose which great power to align with. If they fail to make this choice, they face the grim prospect of being torn apart under the pressure of these great powers, which are now becoming the primary and sole actors in global politics.
This is the multipolar world, which we may have imagined quite differently. Yes, it is rather strict, with very rigid rules, and if you do not possess fundamental economic, political, military, strategic, resource, and territorial sovereignty, your fate is grim. One must choose a bloc to join.
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Mr. Dugin than argues that the "only reasonable path for the majority of post-Soviet states is to become part of an Eurasian macro-state." I don't know if he's right, but I suspect he may well be. I think it's safe to say that post Euromaidan Ukrainian government's decision to try to integrate with western powers since 2014 has been disastrous.
Scott
Verified User
For my first link, even media bias fact check labels The Nation as high in factuality:
The Nation - Bias and Credibility
LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may
mediabiasfactcheck.com
As to the second link, while it's from a Russian philosopher, his views certainly don't always follow the Kremlin's. From his Wikipedia page:
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Relationships with radical groups in other countries
Dugin made contact with the French far-right thinker Alain de Benoist in 1990. Around the same time he also met the Belgian Jean-François Thiriart and Yves Lacoste. In 1992 he invited some of the European far-right figures he had met into Russia. He also brought members of Jobbik and Golden Dawn to Russia to strengthen their ties to the country.According to the book War for Eternity by Benjamin R. Teitelbaum, Dugin met Steve Bannon in Rome in 2018 to discuss Heidegger, Traditionalist esotericism, and a series of geopolitical matters which Bannon disagreed with him, wherein Bannon pressed him to abandon his support for China, Turkey, and Iran. Dugin also developed links with far-right and far-left political parties in the European Union, including Syriza in Greece, Ataka in Bulgaria, the Freedom Party of Austria, and Front National in France, to influence EU policy on Ukraine and Russia. Dugin is also closely aligned with Israeli journalist Avigdor Eskin, who previously served on the board of Dugin's Eurasia Party.
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It’s still Russian propaganda, doesn’t matter the source.For my first link, even media bias fact check labels The Nation as high in factuality:
The Nation - Bias and Credibility
LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may
As to the second link, while it's from a Russian philosopher, his views certainly don't always follow the Kremlin's. From his Wikipedia page:
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Relationships with radical groups in other countries
Dugin made contact with the French far-right thinker Alain de Benoist in 1990. Around the same time he also met the Belgian Jean-François Thiriart and Yves Lacoste. In 1992 he invited some of the European far-right figures he had met into Russia. He also brought members of Jobbik and Golden Dawn to Russia to strengthen their ties to the country.
According to the book War for Eternity by Benjamin R. Teitelbaum, Dugin met Steve Bannon in Rome in 2018 to discuss Heidegger, Traditionalist esotericism, and a series of geopolitical matters which Bannon disagreed with him, wherein Bannon pressed him to abandon his support for China, Turkey, and Iran. Dugin also developed links with far-right and far-left political parties in the European Union, including Syriza in Greece, Ataka in Bulgaria, the Freedom Party of Austria, and Front National in France, to influence EU policy on Ukraine and Russia. Dugin is also closely aligned with Israeli journalist Avigdor Eskin, who previously served on the board of Dugin's Eurasia Party.
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Scott
Verified User
It’s still Russian propaganda, doesn’t matter the source.For my first link, even media bias fact check labels The Nation as high in factuality:
The Nation - Bias and Credibility
LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may
As to the second link, while it's from a Russian philosopher, his views certainly don't always follow the Kremlin's. From his Wikipedia page:
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Relationships with radical groups in other countries
Dugin made contact with the French far-right thinker Alain de Benoist in 1990. Around the same time he also met the Belgian Jean-François Thiriart and Yves Lacoste. In 1992 he invited some of the European far-right figures he had met into Russia. He also brought members of Jobbik and Golden Dawn to Russia to strengthen their ties to the country.
According to the book War for Eternity by Benjamin R. Teitelbaum, Dugin met Steve Bannon in Rome in 2018 to discuss Heidegger, Traditionalist esotericism, and a series of geopolitical matters which Bannon disagreed with him, wherein Bannon pressed him to abandon his support for China, Turkey, and Iran. Dugin also developed links with far-right and far-left political parties in the European Union, including Syriza in Greece, Ataka in Bulgaria, the Freedom Party of Austria, and Front National in France, to influence EU policy on Ukraine and Russia. Dugin is also closely aligned with Israeli journalist Avigdor Eskin, who previously served on the board of Dugin's Eurasia Party.
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So you're saying that if you think it's "Russian propaganda", then you just say that and be on your way, evidence be damned?
I see what is obvious. Russia is the aggressors, Russia is committing war crimes.
Putin is a monster who kills innocents in his wet dream to recreate the USSR.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
It couldn't be stated more understandable than that.
This could have been negotiated back in 2023.
America demanded this war, the Russians had no choice but to comply.