the worst of liberalism

the wrongness of 'living constitution' theory, the irrelevance of the courts, and does the government trump the constitution now?

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/04/stormtroopers-and-child-snatchers.html

an excerpt from the article:

If Maryanne goes to prison, her daughter will die. At present, her prosecution on assault charges is being held in abeyance pending a ruling from the Michigan State Supreme Court in a case "that will determine if residents have the right to defend themselves from police officers entering a home without proper authority," reports the Detroit News.

Embedded in this delay is a critical admission by the prosecution -- namely, that Godboldo is correct in claiming that the CPS raid was conducted without legal authority. Unfortunately -- albeit predictably -- the Michigan Court of Appeals has ruled that it is, in all circumstances, a "felony" for a Mundane to obstruct or resist the aggressive violence of a police officer acting without lawful authority.


In a 1999 ruling (People v. Wess), the Michigan Court of Appeals, citing the state legal code, admitted that citizens had a right, explicitly protected by state statute, "to use such reasonable force as is necessary to prevent an illegal attachment and to resist an illegal arrest." However, in the dicta of that ruling the court all but begged for either the legislature or the state Supreme Court to change the law:


"We share the concerns of other jurisdictions that the right to resist an illegal arrest is an outmoded and dangerous doctrine, and we urge our Supreme Court to reconsider this doctrine at the first available opportunity.... we see no benefit to continuing the right to resist an otherwise peaceful arrest made by a law enforcement officer, merely because the arrestee believes the arrest is illegal. Given modern procedural safeguards for criminal defendants, the `right' only preserves the possibility that harm will come to the arresting officer or the defendant."

The line about "procedural safeguards" is unfiltered codswallop, of course -- but remember it, because we'll return to it anon.


In 2002, the Michigan state legislature modified the relevant section of the state code (MCL 705.81d) by removing the clause recognizing the common law right to "use such reasonable force as is necessary to prevent" an unlawful arrest (that is, an armed kidnapping) by a police officer.

In a 2004 ruling (People v. Ventura) that dealt with a self-defense claim against an unlawful arrest, the Court of Appeals, in a perfectly nauseating display of mock humility, proclaimed that "it is not within our province to disturb our Legislature's obvious affirmative choice to modify the traditional common-law rule that a person may resist an unlawful arrest."

Of course, the legislature made that "choice" after being invited to do so by the same Court of Appeals.

important choice for americans......

do we get our rights from the constitution or the courts?
 
the wrongness of 'living constitution' theory, the irrelevance of the courts, and does the government trump the constitution now?


important choice for americans......

do we get our rights from the constitution or the courts?

Neither... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 
Neither... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Liberals don't believe in God though, right?

then my question to you would be, what protects our rights, the constitution or the courts?
 
Liberals don't believe in God though, right?

then my question to you would be, what protects our rights, the constitution or the courts?

Ignorant stereotyping is not an argument. Many liberals believe in God. The great liberal Thomas Jefferson avoided the word 'God' in the Declaration of Independence. He used the word 'creator' to include ALL who believe and ALL who do not.

BTW, authoritarian personality markers are rampant in right wing Christians and almost non existent in liberals. But don't let any facts fuck up your dogma.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater
 
BTW, authoritarian personality markers are rampant in right wing Christians and almost non existent in liberals. But don't let any facts fuck up your dogma.
authoritarian personality markers are rampant in both right and left wingers, as evidenced by attacks on the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments to the constitution by the right as well as major attacks on the 2nd, 9th, and 10th amendments from the left. but don't let facts fuck up your dogma.
 
BTW, authoritarian personality markers are rampant in right wing Christians and almost non existent in liberals. But don't let any facts fuck up your dogma.
authoritarian personality markers are rampant in both right and left wingers, as evidenced by attacks on the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments to the constitution by the right as well as major attacks on the 2nd, 9th, and 10th amendments from the left. but don't let facts fuck up your dogma.
 
authoritarian personality markers are rampant in both right and left wingers, as evidenced by attacks on the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments to the constitution by the right as well as major attacks on the 2nd, 9th, and 10th amendments from the left. but don't let facts fuck up your dogma.

Sorry, you don't even know what authoritarian means. It is an almost exclusive conservative trait.
 
your ignorance is astounding. unless you prefer totalitarian for left wing personality markers.

Sorry again, but the only basis for your ignorance is what you 'feel'. It is not based on facts. The authoritarian personality is almost a totally right wing trait. Numerous studies have proven that fact. Authoritarianism can be found in about 1% of the left.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
 
Sorry again, but the only basis for your ignorance is what you 'feel'. It is not based on facts. The authoritarian personality is almost a totally right wing trait. Numerous studies have proven that fact. Authoritarianism can be found in about 1% of the left.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

would those be the same kind of studies like Evince posted? the bullshit ones?

next.....
 
Sorry again, but the only basis for your ignorance is what you 'feel'. It is not based on facts. The authoritarian personality is almost a totally right wing trait. Numerous studies have proven that fact. Authoritarianism can be found in about 1% of the left.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Altmeyer never met Mao or Lenin/Stalin/etc.
 
would those be the same kind of studies like Evince posted? the bullshit ones?

next.....

No, there are numerous studies. The most thorough being Robert Altmeyer's The Authoritarians and John T. Jost, Jack Glaser, Arie W. Kruglanski, and Frank J. Sulloway's Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition, where the authors examined 88 different psychological studies conducted between 1958 and 2002 that involved 22,818 people from 12 different countries.

Next...
 
Altmeyer never met Mao or Lenin/Stalin/etc.

Really? Mao, you mean THIS Mao?


革命的集体组织中的自由主义是十分有害的。它是一种腐蚀剂,使团结涣散,关系松懈,工作消极,意见分歧。它使革命队伍失掉严密的组织和纪律,政策不能贯彻到底,党的组织和党所领导的群众发生隔离。这是一种严重的恶劣倾向。

Translation:
Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency.
Combat Liberalism (7 September 1937)
 
Really? Mao, you mean THIS Mao?


革命的集体组织中的自由主义是十分有害的。它是一种腐蚀剂,使团结涣散,关系松懈,工作消极,意见分歧。它使革命队伍失掉严密的组织和纪律,政策不能贯彻到底,党的组织和党所领导的群众发生隔离。这是一种严重的恶劣倾向。

Translation:
Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency.
Combat Liberalism (7 September 1937)


Obviously, Mao was not a stupid person.......:rofl:
 
Conservatism is wha?

Mao was a leftist, and the label has been adjusted much farther to the left since 1937. However, that's beside the point. Totalitarians and autocrats tend to be leftists rather than conservatives. Traditionally, liberals and conservatives are both too close to the center to be either.
 
Conservatism is wha?

Mao was a leftist, and the label has been adjusted much farther to the left since 1937. However, that's beside the point. Totalitarians and autocrats tend to be leftists rather than conservatives. Traditionally, liberals and conservatives are both too close to the center to be either.

Define conservative.
 
Define conservative.

The true conservative, in this country, is about individual freedoms, fiscal responsibility, and minimal gov't interference. That is a far cry from liberals.

As far as the authoritarians, the liberals are as guilty as any conservative. They press for more gov't controls. But since it such a "compassionate" gov't, they think it is not authoritarian.
 
The true conservative, in this country, is about individual freedoms, fiscal responsibility, and minimal gov't interference. That is a far cry from liberals.

As far as the authoritarians, the liberals are as guilty as any conservative. They press for more gov't controls. But since it such a "compassionate" gov't, they think it is not authoritarian.

Liberals press for more gov't controls of WHAT? Things like bank and corporate regulations, consumer protection, environmental protection.
Yea, conservatives want minimal gov't interference in the rich raping the middle class and poor. If only gov't would leave everyone alone, the rich would change their ways.
 
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