This is Islam!
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christiefan915
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"... it's a backward, paternalistic, male-dominated society that set up a system that treats women like crap."
When are Y O U and the other brave men of JPP going to Iran to teach these testosterone-overloaded creatures a lesson?
Better yet, when are trump and his bullies going to stand up for the women of Iran?
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christiefan915
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It was the same pre-Islam.
Diogenes
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So what? This IS Islam. Present tense.
christiefan915
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So the society isn't this restrictive because of Islam but in spite of Islam.
When Middle East correspondent Carla Power began studying the Koran with a conservative Islamic scholar, she wasn’t expecting to learn that it nowhere advocates the oppression of women - or that Islam has a rich history of forgotten female leaders
What the Koran really says about women
When the Middle East correspondent, Carla Power, began studying the Koran with a conservative Islamic scholar, she wasn’t expecting to learn that it nowhere advocates the oppression of women - or that Islam has a rich history of forgotten female leaders
s.telegraph.co.uk
Diogenes
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So what? Actions speak louder than words. Are you flying to the Middle East to teach them the supposed error of their ways?
christiefan915
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I have enough work here on JPP trying to educate the haters about Islam. I'm sure you didn't read the article in the two minutes between my post and your response.
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christiefan915
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Says the one who didn't read the article.
What a cop out.
Diogenes
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You don't know whether I read it or not.
The fact that Y O U refuse to tell Islamists that you know their beliefs better than they do speaks volumes.
christiefan915
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I know more about Islam than you, and also why the verses are translated in so many different ways depending on the translator.You don't know whether I read it or not.
The fact that Y O U refuse to tell Islamists that you know their beliefs better than they do speaks volumes.
Diogenes
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So you say.
From your own source:
"A Hindu goes to his Muslim neighbor and asks if he could borrow a copy of the Koran. “Of course,”said the Muslim. “We’ve got plenty! Let me get you one from my library.” A week later, the Hindu returns. “Thanks so much,” he said. “Fascinating. But I wonder, could you give me a copy of the other Koran?” “Um, you’re holding it,” said the Muslim. “Yeah, I read this,” replied the Hindu. “But I need a copy of the Koran that’s followed by Muslims.” “The joke is right,” said Akram."
You won't tell any Islamists that you "know more about Islam than you".
We both know why.
christiefan915
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@Diogenes
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, addresses the status and roles of women in several verses, emphasizing equality, dignity, and specific responsibilities. Its teachings about women must be understood in the context of the 7th-century Arabian society, where women often had limited rights, and in light of Islamic scholarship and interpretation that has evolved over time. Below is a summary of key themes regarding women in the Quran:
1. Spiritual Equality
The Quran establishes that men and women are spiritually equal in the eyes of God. Both are accountable for their actions, and both can attain salvation and paradise based on their faith and deeds.
2. Creation and Dignity
The Quran describes the creation of men and women as originating from a single soul, emphasizing their equal worth and mutual dependence.
3. Roles and Responsibilities
The Quran assigns specific roles and responsibilities to men and women, often reflecting the social context of the time. These roles are sometimes interpreted as complementary rather than hierarchical.
4. Rights of Women
The Quran introduced significant reforms to improve the status of women compared to pre-Islamic Arabian practices, granting them rights that were progressive for the time:
Inheritance: Women have the right to inherit property, though their share is typically half that of a male relative in similar circumstances (Quran 4:11-12). This was a significant improvement over pre-Islamic customs, where women often had no inheritance rights.
Marriage and Dowry: Women have the right to consent to marriage and to receive a dowry from their husband (Quran 4:4, 4:24). The dowry is considered the woman’s property.
Divorce: While men can initiate divorce more easily, women can seek divorce (khula) under certain conditions, and the Quran emphasizes fairness and kindness in divorce proceedings (Quran 2:229-231).
Education and Knowledge: The Quran does not explicitly restrict women from seeking knowledge, and the pursuit of knowledge is encouraged for all Muslims (e.g., Quran 20:114, 96:1-5).
5. Modesty and Dress
The Quran instructs both men and women to observe modesty in behavior and dress, though specific guidelines for women are more detailed.
6. Marriage and Family
The Quran permits polygamy under strict conditions but emphasizes fairness and justice.
Wives are to be treated with kindness and respect (Quran 4:19), and mutual love and mercy between spouses are highlighted (Quran 30:21).
7. Punishments and Legal Status
The Quran prescribes punishments for certain crimes (e.g., adultery in Quran 24:2) that apply to both men and women equally. However, legal interpretations and applications of these verses vary widely across Muslim societies and schools of thought.
Women are recognized as individuals with legal rights, able to own property, enter contracts, and testify in certain cases, though some traditional interpretations limit their testimony in specific contexts (e.g., financial matters, based on Quran 2:282).
Examples of Women in the Quran
The Quran mentions several women as examples of piety, strength, and resilience:
Maryam (Mary): The mother of Prophet Jesus (Isa) is highly revered and has an entire chapter (Surah 19, Maryam) named after her. She is depicted as a righteous and chaste woman chosen by God.
Asiya: The wife of Pharaoh, who protected Moses (Musa), is praised for her faith and courage (Quran 66:11).
The Wives of the Prophet Muhammad: Referred to as the "Mothers of the Believers" (Quran 33:6), they are given special status and responsibilities.
Contextual Interpretation
The Quran’s teachings about women are subject to interpretation, and different Muslim scholars, cultures, and historical periods have understood and applied these verses in varied ways. Some modern interpretations emphasize gender equality and reinterpret traditional roles in light of contemporary values, while others adhere to more traditional or patriarchal readings.
For a deeper understanding, it’s recommended to consult Islamic scholars, tafsir (Quranic exegesis), and historical context, as well as to consider the broader Sunnah (Prophet Muhammad’s teachings and practices), which complements the Quran in Islamic law and ethics.
Grok
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, addresses the status and roles of women in several verses, emphasizing equality, dignity, and specific responsibilities. Its teachings about women must be understood in the context of the 7th-century Arabian society, where women often had limited rights, and in light of Islamic scholarship and interpretation that has evolved over time. Below is a summary of key themes regarding women in the Quran:
1. Spiritual Equality
The Quran establishes that men and women are spiritually equal in the eyes of God. Both are accountable for their actions, and both can attain salvation and paradise based on their faith and deeds.
2. Creation and Dignity
The Quran describes the creation of men and women as originating from a single soul, emphasizing their equal worth and mutual dependence.
3. Roles and Responsibilities
The Quran assigns specific roles and responsibilities to men and women, often reflecting the social context of the time. These roles are sometimes interpreted as complementary rather than hierarchical.
4. Rights of Women
The Quran introduced significant reforms to improve the status of women compared to pre-Islamic Arabian practices, granting them rights that were progressive for the time:
Inheritance: Women have the right to inherit property, though their share is typically half that of a male relative in similar circumstances (Quran 4:11-12). This was a significant improvement over pre-Islamic customs, where women often had no inheritance rights.
Marriage and Dowry: Women have the right to consent to marriage and to receive a dowry from their husband (Quran 4:4, 4:24). The dowry is considered the woman’s property.
Divorce: While men can initiate divorce more easily, women can seek divorce (khula) under certain conditions, and the Quran emphasizes fairness and kindness in divorce proceedings (Quran 2:229-231).
Education and Knowledge: The Quran does not explicitly restrict women from seeking knowledge, and the pursuit of knowledge is encouraged for all Muslims (e.g., Quran 20:114, 96:1-5).
5. Modesty and Dress
The Quran instructs both men and women to observe modesty in behavior and dress, though specific guidelines for women are more detailed.
6. Marriage and Family
The Quran permits polygamy under strict conditions but emphasizes fairness and justice.
Wives are to be treated with kindness and respect (Quran 4:19), and mutual love and mercy between spouses are highlighted (Quran 30:21).
7. Punishments and Legal Status
The Quran prescribes punishments for certain crimes (e.g., adultery in Quran 24:2) that apply to both men and women equally. However, legal interpretations and applications of these verses vary widely across Muslim societies and schools of thought.
Women are recognized as individuals with legal rights, able to own property, enter contracts, and testify in certain cases, though some traditional interpretations limit their testimony in specific contexts (e.g., financial matters, based on Quran 2:282).
Examples of Women in the Quran
The Quran mentions several women as examples of piety, strength, and resilience:
Maryam (Mary): The mother of Prophet Jesus (Isa) is highly revered and has an entire chapter (Surah 19, Maryam) named after her. She is depicted as a righteous and chaste woman chosen by God.
Asiya: The wife of Pharaoh, who protected Moses (Musa), is praised for her faith and courage (Quran 66:11).
The Wives of the Prophet Muhammad: Referred to as the "Mothers of the Believers" (Quran 33:6), they are given special status and responsibilities.
Contextual Interpretation
The Quran’s teachings about women are subject to interpretation, and different Muslim scholars, cultures, and historical periods have understood and applied these verses in varied ways. Some modern interpretations emphasize gender equality and reinterpret traditional roles in light of contemporary values, while others adhere to more traditional or patriarchal readings.
For a deeper understanding, it’s recommended to consult Islamic scholars, tafsir (Quranic exegesis), and historical context, as well as to consider the broader Sunnah (Prophet Muhammad’s teachings and practices), which complements the Quran in Islamic law and ethics.
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christiefan915
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Reading is fundamental. I said I knew more about Islam than Y O U, not Muslims.
Diogenes
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Diogenes
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Have you informed the authorities in the Islamic Republic of Iran that they're doing Islam all wrong?
christiefan915
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Go back and read about the role of women in Islam.