Time to Arm our Teachers, let them defend themselves

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Here is an article about arming our teachers, I believe written in 2007. Think of all the lives that would have been saved if the Feds had allowed all teachers to be armed, especially Sandy Hook, if they so wished. Those Sandy Hook teachers, who were shot dead after trying to ask the shooter to stop it, would have nailed that Lanza shooter right off the bat, no pleading useless required .........
.........."A 14-year-old suspended high school student entered Cleveland's Success Tech Academy, a gun in each hand, and opened fire, wounding four. Later, we learn that the shooter's past included violent confrontations, mental problems and at least one previous suspension. A month earlier he told a friend that he intended to shoot up the school. But no one, apparently, took his behavior seriously enough to notify authorities.

Meanwhile, a high school teacher in Oregon, with a permit to carry a concealed weapon plus training, sought permission to carry her firearm to school. In fear of her ex-husband, against whom she filed and received two restraining orders, she wanted the ability to protect herself in the event he showed up. Furthermore, she argued that even without the fear of her ex-husband, the Second Amendment and Oregon state law allow her to carry her firearm to work. Her school district, however, prevents her from carrying a firearm to school.

This raises a question. Do shooters consider schools "gun-free zones"? Do they consider it unlikely that any authority figure — whether teachers or, in some cases, security guards — poses an armed threat? But in some school shooting cases, guns helped to end shooting sprees and minimize loss of life and injury.

Edinboro, Pennsylvania. A 14-year-old middle school student opened fire at a school graduation dance, being held at a local restaurant. The shooter killed one teacher and wounded two students and another teacher. The armed teenager was apprehended by the restaurant owner, who grabbed his own shotgun from his office and went after the shooter. Staring into the owner's shotgun, the teen dropped his gun and surrendered.

Pearl, Mississippi. A 16-year-old sophomore entered Pearl High with a hunting rifle under his overcoat. He opened fire, killing two students and wounding seven. The assistant principal, Joel Myrick, ran to his truck and retrieved the .45 automatic he kept there. Running back, he spotted the shooter in the parking lot. Ordering the teen to stop, the vice principal put his gun to the shooter's neck and held him until police arrived.

Grundy, Virginia. At Appalachian Law School, a disgruntled student on the verge of his second suspension entered a school building and shot and killed the dean and a professor. He then shot four students, killing one. Hearing the shots fired, two students, Michael Gross and Tracy Bridges, ran to their cars to retrieve their guns.

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With guns aimed at the shooter, Bridges ordered him to drop his weapon. When the shooter turned and saw Bridges' gun, he laid down his weapon and put his hands in the air. (My pro-Second Amendment documentary, "Michael and Me," goes into detail about this incident, as well as others.)

Professor and economist John Lott checked 280 separate news stories in the week after the Appalachian Law School shooting, and only found four that mentioned the students who stopped the shooter had guns. The Washington Post, for example, said the students "helped subdue" the killer. Newsday wrote the shooter was "restrained by students." The Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch, however, wrote that the shooter "was wrestled to the ground by fellow students, one of whom aimed his own revolver at [the killer]." Four months later, the Times-Dispatch detailed the students' actions, including the second student's use of a gun.

What do felons think about an armed citizenry? A survey of convicted felons by the National Institute of Justice found 74 percent of the felons agreed that, "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are home is that they fear being shot during the crime." The survey also asked these felons whether they had abandoned at least one crime because they feared the intended victim might be armed. Thirty-nine percent said they abandoned at least one crime; 8 percent had abandoned such a crime "many" times; 34 percent admitted being "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"; and nearly 70 percent knew a "colleague" who had abandoned a crime, been scared off, been shot at, wounded or captured by a victim packing heat.

A survey of 23,113 police chiefs and sheriffs across the country found that 62 percent of these top cops agreed that "a national concealed handgun permit would reduce rates of violent crime." About 80 percent of rank-and-file police officers, according to polls, support the right of trained citizens to carry concealed weapons.

Israel gets it. Since the 1970s, on school campuses in Israel, policy requires teachers and parent aides to arm themselves with semi-automatic weapons. The result? School shootings have plummeted to zero.

As for Cleveland, would allowing authority figures to arm themselves have resulted in reduced casualties, or perhaps even deterred the shooter in the first place? No one can say for sure. But no doubt at least some Cleveland parents now believe the benefits of armed campus adults outweigh the costs.

Larry Elder is a syndicated radio talk-show host and author. His nationally syndicated radio program airs 3 p.m. to 6 p.m. PST and can also be heard on X-M and Sirius satellite radio. To find out more about Larry Elder, visit his web page at www.larryelder.com."....
http://www.creators.com/opinion/larry-elder/do-gun-free-zones-encourage-school-shootings.html
 
Bloody weirdoes! Don't forget to Alzheimer's victims with tactical atomic weapons for when they are shot down by crazy red-necks for knocking at doors!
 
I think teachers should be allowed to carry weapons of they so choose, provided that they seek some basic safety training . I think it os okay for spme teachers to refuse if they feel uncomfortable doing something like that
 
So what about teachers with mental breakdowns? Or teachers that have been fired and they feel that it was unjustly done? Or what about teachers being laid off? Or what about a teacher going through a divorce and is stressed and depressed?

Or

(Most important Question)

What about the school shooting that does happen and the teacher discharges his/her weapon killing the perpetrator and the student?

For the above will we then say that the student killed was a "necessary sacrifice" because the teacher killed the gunman? Or will we argue that teachers now need tactical training in firefights? Simply arming a teacher comes with a lot of risks as well as benefits and we must go through all of them.
 
So what about teachers with mental breakdowns? Or teachers that have been fired and they feel that it was unjustly done? Or what about teachers being laid off? Or what about a teacher going through a divorce and is stressed and depressed?

Or

(Most important Question)

What about the school shooting that does happen and the teacher discharges his/her weapon killing the perpetrator and the student?

For the above will we then say that the student killed was a "necessary sacrifice" because the teacher killed the gunman? Or will we argue that teachers now need tactical training in firefights? Simply arming a teacher comes with a lot of risks as well as benefits and we must go through all of them.
A Teacher who goes bonkers would just bring a gun, legal or not legal, to school anyway. With other legally armed teachers also in that same school, those "normal" legally armed teachers would be able to defend the kids. The bad guys carry guns without permits, so the good guys who obey the gun laws should be able to legally carry a concealed weapon to defend themselves against these armed bad guys,...capisce? As far as collateral damage(students getting shot) you are supposing too much, without the armed teachers you might have another Sandy Hook. If the 5 dead teachers at Sandy Hook had weapons, there would not have been all those kids killed by shooter Lanza, and some of the Teachers would have survived, any armed Teacher scenario would be better than no armed Teachers, who had no chance to survive against Lanza.
 
You paying for all those guns?

Wow, that didn't take long. Looks like things can be done pretty quickly around here sometimes after all! I go to work and by the time I get back, howey is banned! Anybody know what he did to bring down the wrath of Kahn on his head?
 
So what about teachers with mental breakdowns? Or teachers that have been fired and they feel that it was unjustly done? Or what about teachers being laid off? Or what about a teacher going through a divorce and is stressed and depressed?
Are you to imply that because of ANY of these things that a person first reaction is to respond violently? 100,000,000+ people own guns in America, and I'm willing to bet ALL of them go through something like what you stated above in their life.
Or

(Most important Question)

What about the school shooting that does happen and the teacher discharges his/her weapon killing the perpetrator and the student?

For the above will we then say that the student killed was a "necessary sacrifice" because the teacher killed the gunman? Or will we argue that teachers now need tactical training in firefights? Simply arming a teacher comes with a lot of risks as well as benefits and we must go through all of them.

What? If a armed teacher shoots said student, what is the problem? That they don't have the state gold plated badge pinned to their chest?
 
I meet all sorts of Americans and find them apparently sane and pleasant, then I read all the bilge about arming teachers with cowboy bang-bangs, as if people with a job to do have time to pretend to be strutting round Tombstone like Nineteenth Century primitive killers. It is like a very bad horror film in which everyone turns out to be a vampire or an alien. Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad - and they seem to be doing a pretty good job on America!
 
I meet all sorts of Americans and find them apparently sane and pleasant, then I read all the bilge about arming teachers with cowboy bang-bangs, as if people with a job to do have time to pretend to be strutting round Tombstone like Nineteenth Century primitive killers. It is like a very bad horror film in which everyone turns out to be a vampire or an alien. Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad - and they seem to be doing a pretty good job on America!
There's only a few million gun nuts.
 
I meet all sorts of Americans and find them apparently sane and pleasant, then I read all the bilge about arming teachers with cowboy bang-bangs, as if people with a job to do have time to pretend to be strutting round Tombstone like Nineteenth Century primitive killers. It is like a very bad horror film in which everyone turns out to be a vampire or an alien. Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad - and they seem to be doing a pretty good job on America!

The problem with you leftist bastards is you watch too many movies made in Hollywood the bastion of communist fruits and nuts. Thereby y’all develop this absurd imagination of BIG and little guns with legs running all over America unattended shooting up the population and hanging themselves around the necks of knuckle dragging goons in the back woods of redneck land screaming for protection from the government.

Fact is you commie bastards can’t separate your imaginations from fantasy and accept the fact that an ”armed teacher” is not required to wear a tooled gun belt and holster about their waste and on their hip, nor wear a ten gallon hat upon their head. It’s more like ”conceal carry” and for ya goofy commies that translates to out of sight. And the objective is not to shoot up the lunch room at lunch time it’s actually just for the protection of the children and self.

You see morons, in America we recognize that laws of prohibition don’t register well with criminals and the mentally fucked up. We also recognize that waiting for the cops to show up can be hazardous to our health and the health and lives of our children.
 
The problem with you leftist bastards is you watch too many movies made in Hollywood the bastion of communist fruits and nuts. Thereby y’all develop this absurd imagination of BIG and little guns with legs running all over America unattended shooting up the population and hanging themselves around the necks of knuckle dragging goons in the back woods of redneck land screaming for protection from the government.

Fact is you commie bastards can’t separate your imaginations from fantasy and accept the fact that an ”armed teacher” is not required to wear a tooled gun belt and holster about their waste and on their hip, nor wear a ten gallon hat upon their head. It’s more like ”conceal carry” and for ya goofy commies that translates to out of sight. And the objective is not to shoot up the lunch room at lunch time it’s actually just for the protection of the children and self.

You see morons, in America we recognize that laws of prohibition don’t register well with criminals and the mentally fucked up. We also recognize that waiting for the cops to show up can be hazardous to our health and the health and lives of our children.

Don't encourage him, he's a troll.
 
I dont get why people think that everyone who has went through bad times is going to go and just shoot everybody. The US is home to the most guns in the world, if it were the case that everyone who goes through a divorce or some mental stress wanted to just shoot people, everyone in the US would be dead. Everyone will experience hard times in their lives, it does not automatically make you a violent or crazy person. The same applies to teachers. Also their are some private schools and colleges that allow concealed carry, and so far they have not had any issues.
 
What part of the Second Amendment is confusing to the gun-grabbers, anyway?


There should be zero limits on a citizen's right to possess firearms.
 
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