To non Catholic Christians let's talk John 6:34-69

[Into the Night]

So can you prove from the text that Jesus is not speaking literally or cant you? The "out of context" nonsense is what people say when they have no counter argument.

You are not Jesus Christ. YOU are taking snippets out of context.
Assumption of victory fallacy.

Now you are taking the entire book of John out of context.

The Bible contains many books, that reinforce what I have said. Jesus is describing the sacrament, and speaking symbolically.

 

[Bai Lan]

I'd love to hear your take on those verses.

ok.

transubstantiation.

a non important doctrine designed strictly for schismatism.

a distraction from THE central and MOST IMPORTANT TEACHING:

the golden rule.

ho hum.

Just as predicted.

 

[Bai Lan]

"do this is in remembrance of me"

 

[Bai Lan]

not
"do this when you're hangry and can't get to burger king"

 

[gfm7175]

Thank you but that doesn't really explain what Jesus is saying here. He declared that the bread he will give is his flesh then goes on to confirm 4 more times 53, unless you eat the flesh of the some of man and drink his blood you do not have life within you. 54 whoever feeds upon my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal.life. 55 for my flesh is real food... 56 whoever feeds upon my flesh and drinks .my blood dwells in him and I in him. My understanding is the Greek work used here for eat is "gnaw". Pretty clear

I see a couple of problems with the way that you are understanding these passages:

1) Communion hadn't been instituted yet.
2) If these words were in reference to communion, then it would be teaching that any partaker of communion receives eternal life, which isn't true.

 

[Yakuda]

The snippet you took out of context is not the entire thing nor the entire book of John.

Its not a snippet. Stop it. Youre just flailing now. Jesus is quiet clear and you havent shown anything from the text to prove your point.

 

[Yakuda]

You are not Jesus Christ. YOU are taking snippets out of context.
Assumption of victory fallacy.

Now you are taking the entire book of John out of context.

The Bible contains many books, that reinforce what I have said. Jesus is describing the sacrament, and speaking symbolically.

Show from the text that he is speaking symbolically. He calls himself the bread of life. Thats symbolic. But then he says, the bread that i will give is my flesh, which is not symbolic. He just associated the bread from heaven with his flesh. Also If he was speaking symbolically the question in verse 67 makes no sense. stop flailing.

 

[Yakuda]

ok.

transubstantiation.

a non important doctrine designed strictly for schismatism.

a distraction from THE central and MOST IMPORTANT TEACHING:

the golden rule.

ho hum.

Just as predicted.

only you call it non important doctrine. youre a dolt

 

[Bai Lan]

only you call it non important doctrine. youre a dolt

divisive unimportant beliefs.

focus on the golden rule, judaiser.

 

[Yakuda]

I see a couple of problems with the way that you are understanding these passages:

1) Communion hadn't been instituted yet.
2) If these words were in reference to communion, then it would be teaching that any partaker of communion receives eternal life, which isn't true.

1) Jesus will institute the Eucharist at the last supper
2) of course its true but this isnt osas

 

[Yakuda]

dvisive unimportant beliefs.

focus on the golden rule, judaiser.

its unimportant to you. No one cares what you think is important

the golden rule is not the whole of the law. this has been explained to you already

 

[Bai Lan]

its unimportant to you. No one cares what you think is important

the golden rule is not the whole of the law. this has been explained to you already

it is.

you reject christ's teachings.

Romans 13



8 The only debt that you should have is to love each other. Anyone who loves other people has obeyed God's Law completely.

9 The rules in God's Law say this: ‘Do not have sex with anyone who is not your own wife or your own husband. Do not kill anyone. Do not rob anyone. Do not want things that belong to other people.’ All these rules, and all the other rules in God's Law, are all included in one rule. That one rule is: ‘Love other people as much as you love yourself.’ 10 If you love other people, you will never do anything bad to them. So anyone who loves other people has obeyed God's Law completely.

 

[Bai Lan]

it couldn't be clearer than this, satan worshipper.

 

[Into the Night]

Show from the text that he is speaking symbolically.

I already have.

He calls himself the bread of life. Thats symbolic.

That's right!

But then he says, the bread that i will give is my flesh, which is not symbolic.

Yes it is.

He just associated the bread from heaven with his flesh.

He never did.

Also If he was speaking symbolically the question in verse 67 makes no sense. stop flailing.

Yes it does. You can't blame your problems on me or anybody else.
It is YOU taking verses out of context.
It is YOU taking snippets out of context.
It is YOU calling the Bible nonsensical.
It is YOU ignoring all other books in the Bible.

It is YOU 'flailing' to do it.

 

[Into the Night]

Its not a snippet.

It is a snippet. Your word games won't work.

Stop it.

No. You can't order anyone around. I will continue to point out your contextomy fallacy.

Youre just flailing now.

Inversion fallacy.

Jesus is quiet clear and you havent shown anything from the text to prove your point.

I already have. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

Illiteracy: Missing apostrophes. Buzzwords.

Logic errors: Buzzword fallacies. Strawman fallacies. Contextomy fallacy. Inversion fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

1) Jesus will institute the Eucharist at the last supper
2) of course its true but this isnt osas

You just locked yourself into paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox. It's irrational.
You cannot claim an mention of the sacrament and claim it doesn't exist at the same time!

 

[Into the Night]

its unimportant to you. No one cares what you think is important

You don't get to speak for everyone. Omniscience fallacy.

the golden rule is not the whole of the law. this has been explained to you already

Yes it is. See Matthew 22:39-40. Attempted proof by negation.

 

[gfm7175]

1) Jesus will institute the Eucharist at the last supper
2) of course its true but this isnt osas

1) ... thus communion hadn't been instituted yet. (in John 6)
2) partaking in communion doesn't save anyone.

 

[gfm7175]

Show from the text that he is speaking symbolically.

I'll gladly walk through it with you.

He calls himself the bread of life. Thats symbolic.

Indeed he does. John 6:48 says "I am that bread of life". Luke 4:4 says "And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." (which is a quote from Deuteronomy 8:3). The beginning of John also explains how Jesus IS The Word of God.

Thus, akin to how physical bread feeds and fuels our physical body, the Word of God (Jesus) feeds and fuels our spirit (our true self). Jesus alone can bring us eternal life (through his suffering and death on the cross). That's the vital truth that Holy Communion is recognizing/remembering via one's partaking in the bread (Jesus' body) and the wine (Jesus' blood). The bread and wine don't literally change into Jesus' body and blood though. Holy Communion is not cannibalism.

But then he says, the bread that i will give is my flesh, which is not symbolic.

In John 6:51, Jesus was prophetically referring to his death on the cross, not to any sort of cannibalism.

He just associated the bread from heaven with his flesh.

No, Jesus IS the bread from heaven. What he is associating (in those passages) is our physical need for physical bread with our spiritual need for "spiritual bread", aka the "bread from heaven", aka himself (and his ultimate sacrifice for our sins).

Also If he was speaking symbolically the question in verse 67 makes no sense. stop flailing.

?????

 

[Bai Lan]

matthew 22

36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.