US Supreme Court Pauses Order Requiring Return of Deported Man

He is a MS13 gang member.

You might want to fact check that one.

I'm trying to help here. Most Americans support deportations, but most are also human beings. Stories like this one don't play well outside of MAGA, and they will likely change public sentiment on this issue.
 
Enjoy the suck Judge Paula Xinis u are now powerless

You have no power to do a goddamn thing about his Gang member anymore than the fucking anti American Libs on this board do!


All both of u can do is
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Most Americans, however, have a sense of compassion, empathy and justice.

Most do.
The gov't made a mistake w/ this guy. All they're doing now is saying that they can't really admit they made a mistake.

The guy was found--in court--to be an MS 13 gang member. On 17 October 2019 he was ordered deported. The Biden administration gave him a stay on that order because he argued if he were deported to El Salvador, his country of origin, he'd get tossed in CECOT and that constituted a harsh and harmful thing. Well, he was correct that he would get tossed in CECOT. That's what happens when you are an MS 13 gang member in El Salvador.
This is a father & family man. Why do we need to be this cruel?
So? Lots of criminals have family. Is sending someone to prison as punishment for a crime they committed and were found guilty of cruel just because they also happen to have a family?
 
Most do.


The guy was found--in court--to be an MS 13 gang member. On 17 October 2019 he was ordered deported. The Biden administration gave him a stay on that order because he argued if he were deported to El Salvador, his country of origin, he'd get tossed in CECOT and that constituted a harsh and harmful thing. Well, he was correct that he would get tossed in CECOT. That's what happens when you are an MS 13 gang member in El Salvador.

So? Lots of criminals have family. Is sending someone to prison as punishment for a crime they committed and were found guilty of cruel just because they also happen to have a family?

I'd encourage you to check the facts on that MS 13 claim. Particularly the "in court" part, but in general as well.
 
I'd encourage you to check the facts on that MS 13 claim. Particularly the "in court" part, but in general as well.
Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.

The court determined he was a gang member.
 
Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.

The court determined he was a gang member.

There were never any indictments or anything besides a single source's claim to prove he was in the gang, from everything I've seen about this.

I guess that's why there is such a clamor for due process. These are devastating mistakes to make if we're wrong on someone.

Is it too much to ask to be a little more careful about not just who they deport - but who they send to this prison? By what I've read, it sounds like one of the worst places in the world. This isn't justice, or good policy.
 
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There were never any indictments or anything besides a single source's claim to prove he was in the gang.

I checked the facts like you asked. He was found to be in a gang. Then, when he faced actual deportation, suddenly he and his lawyer(s) started backpedaling on that and he was saying he wasn't. He offered nothing as proof other than his word so that changed nothing. But the Biden administration granted him a stay on deportation anyway. They were handing those out to anyone who asked so...

Being a gang member, in the US, is generally not illegal just an issue when you are arrested and tried for criminal activity. Being an MS-13 gang member in El Salvador is a crime and you get tossed in CECOT for it. That's what this pendejo is all butthurt over.
I guess that's why there is such a clamor for due process. These are devastating mistakes to make if we're wrong on someone.

He got his due process many times over. He was repeatedly in court over his immigration status among other issues. This guy wasn't some angelic family man like the Left is trying to make him out to be.

The only issue before the court now is over whether the stay on his deportation should have been honored or not.
 
I checked the facts like you asked. He was found to be in a gang. Then, when he faced actual deportation, suddenly he and his lawyer(s) started backpedaling on that and he was saying he wasn't. He offered nothing as proof other than his word so that changed nothing. But the Biden administration granted him a stay on deportation anyway. They were handing those out to anyone who asked so...


He got his due process many times over. He was repeatedly in court over his immigration status among other issues. This guy wasn't some angelic family man like the Left is trying to make him out to be.

The only issue before the court now is over whether the stay on his deportation should have been honored or not.

How did he & his lawyers "backpedal?" THEY never said he was in a gang. It would only be backpedaling if THEY made the claim, and then tried to claim otherwise.

And since when is the burden of proof on HIM to prove he was NOT in a gang? Is that how you think our justice system works?

How do you know he wasn't the family man the left his portraying? What do you have to back that up?
 
How did he & his lawyers "backpedal?" THEY never said he was in a gang. It would only be backpedaling if THEY made the claim, and then tried to claim otherwise.

And since when is the burden of proof on HIM to prove he was NOT in a gang? Is that how you think our justice system works?

He was found in court in 2019 to be a gang member. He had his chance to deny it or challenge it and didn't. That's on him. It only became an issue in 2025 because suddenly he was facing deportation for real.


How do you know he wasn't the family man the left his portraying? What do you have to back that up?
 
It's not black & white. You can support deportation and also support more thoughtful policy & implementation around that.

There will naturally be mistakes when something like mass deportation is pursued. The government admitted they made one here - why is the admin pushing back on the idea of correcting that?
 
Another judge & another court questioned the findings of that court, and that there was no corroboration for the claim....no?
The government had informants (plural) that testified he was a member. They likely had other evidence presented to back that up but it isn't in the ruling I posted, just the finding. So, there was sufficient evidence presented to corroborate the claim and since Abrego-Garcia failed--and I assume his lawyer didn't do anything on this either--to put up a defense to the claim, it was accepted by the court.

As I said, this ONLY becomes an issue in 2025 when he's being deported for real. Up to that point his gang membership--valid or not--wasn't an issue for him since so long as he didn't get arrested for some crime or another it didn't matter and had no effect on his immigration status.
 
It's not black & white. You can support deportation and also support more thoughtful policy & implementation around that.

True. But deportation is generally an administrative action, not a criminal one. As such all that's needed to get an order of deportation is preponderance of evidence, not evidence beyond shadow of a doubt like in a criminal case.
There will naturally be mistakes for something like this. The government admitted they made one here - why is the admin pushing back on the idea of correcting that?
The administration is pushing back because these judges are making an administrative action into a criminal case which it isn't and further demanding that defendants get not just a hearing, or their day in court, but repeated days in court with repeated hearings, appeals, and such. The judges are deliberately trying to clog the machinery of deportation up to the maximum extent they can to keep persons who are deportable in the US.
 
President Trump wins again.
America loses. A man innocent of a crime, with a family was taken to a country that was willing to keep him and many others forever and torture them at will. This obviously was worked out in advance, before the election. How much is that costing in money, besides the cost in international respect? This admin is inhumane. Trumpys are not even ashamed of actions like this.
 
I'd encourage you to check the facts on that MS 13 claim. Particularly the "in court" part, but in general as well.
America loses. A man innocent of a crime, with a family was taken to a country that was willing to keep him and many others forever and torture them at will. This obviously was worked out in advance, before the election. How much is that costing in money, besides the cost in international respect? This admin is inhumane. Trumpys are not even ashamed of actions like this.
Since you support this nice young man, how about we return him and send him to your house?

Will Wed. be too soon?
 
Since you support this nice young man, how about we return him and send him to your house?

Will Wed. be too soon?
We could move you to Kyiv and give him your house . He'd be far more useful to the community than you.
 
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