We will reduce pork spending!!!!

Superfreak said:
The Reps. But that does not change the fact that the Dems ran on the platform of going back to the paygo, making earmarks transparent and significantly reducing the earmarks. They obviously are not living up to all their BS.
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to my knowledge the Dems never promised to "eliminate" earmarks. They promised to reduce them and reform them. That happened. There's modestly more tranparency now, and there's less of it.

Does that mean earmark reform was a roaring success. NO. Its an improvement over the way your party ran congress.

I personally would like to see reform go much farther. And I am fully aware, and on record on this board, for criticizing Pork abusers like John Murtha. Dems abuse it too. But earmark spending was turned into an artform when your party ran things. McCain even admits that. Its not 'partisan" for me to point it out. So, I'm just giving you crap for your generalizations about both parties being equally bad on it.
 
dims have been funding the gov. for a week at a time, we've been near a shutdown for months, and what we finally get is a roll all the spending into a 3,000 page budget, that is at least within President Bush's budget numbers, which thankfully was at least much smaller than the dims wants, yet they still worked in over 700 pages of earmarks. I bet that's a lot of services they cut from folks so San Francisco can have the Nancy, sorry, General Pelosi post office!!!
 
WRL said:
dims have been funding the gov. for a week at a time, we've been near a shutdown for months, and what we finally get is a roll all the spending into a 3,000 page budget, that is at least within President Bush's budget numbers, which thankfully was at least much smaller than the dims wants, yet they still worked in over 700 pages of earmarks. I bet that's a lot of services they cut from folks so San Francisco can have the Nancy, sorry, General Pelosi post office!!!
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I wish it would shut itself down for a couple of years.

I'm glad you still support the biggest spenders of all time Larry. It show's your party first attitude.

I say fuck em all. You say "so long as its the republicans fucking us, I'll bend over, but I won't have no Democrat do the same."

Kudos william.
 
No, sorry, in fact I've chosen to vote for John McCain mainly on that principle, he's the only one who blasts how the Republicans spent, he's the only one who has promised not to sign a single earmark, he's the only one addressing the looming entitlement crisis, he's the only one I believe that will rein in spending especially if dims pick up more seats next year.
 
WRL said:
No, sorry, in fact I've chosen to vote for John McCain mainly on that principle, he's the only one who blasts how the Republicans spent, he's the only one who has promised not to sign a single earmark, he's the only one addressing the looming entitlement crisis, he's the only one I believe that will rein in spending especially if dims pick up more seats next year.
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Why don't you ever blast how much the Republicans spend? Why do you mindlessly worship everything they do?
 
WRL said:
No, sorry, in fact I've chosen to vote for John McCain mainly on that principle, he's the only one who blasts how the Republicans spent, he's the only one who has promised not to sign a single earmark, he's the only one addressing the looming entitlement crisis, he's the only one I believe that will rein in spending especially if dims pick up more seats next year.
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He isn't the only one. Ron Paul has actually done these things and far before McCain.
 
I love it. Even though the Democrats have vastly cut earmarks over the Republican-led Congress and even tough the earmarks are accessible on the web whereas before they were completely secret, the usual suspects (Republicans, natch) are apoplectic about the number of earmarks and the transparency in the process.

Perfect. And typical.
 
Dungheap said:
I love it. Even though the Democrats have vastly cut earmarks over the Republican-led Congress and even tough the earmarks are accessible on the web whereas before they were completely secret, the usual suspects (Republicans, natch) are apoplectic about the number of earmarks and the transparency in the process.

Perfect. And typical.
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A resounding endorsement of the Democrats. I say they're both scum, you say you like scum. Touche.
 
I also love WRL bitching about the omnibus budget bill being a bit late when he was completely silent about the Republican-led Congress refusing to pass any budget bills at all through the end of their term in the majority after getting steamrolled in the '06 election.
 
Beefy said:
A resounding endorsement of the Democrats. I say they're both scum, you say you like scum. Touche.
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Your opinion is fine. At least you're consistent. I'm talking about the people that continually vote Republican while criticizing Democrats for being better than the Republicans. It's hilarious.

Superfreak pretends he's a deficit hawk, yet he stays silent when the Republicans refuse to follow paygo rules and the like.

I'd also add that I don't care one whit about earmarks. They account for a tiny portion of the overall budget. They could all disappear tomorrow and no one would notice except for the organizations that used to receive them.
 
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Dungheap said:
I also love WRL bitching about the omnibus budget bill being a bit late when he was completely silent about the Republican-led Congress refusing to pass any budget bills at all through the end of their term in the majority after getting steamrolled in the '06 election.
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He wasn't here during that time.
 
Damocles said:
He wasn't here during that time.
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Neither was I. I believe we were both over at that other place that shall remain nameless. I think.

Anyway, I also brought it up to him a few days ago and he just denied it, then ignored it, then repeated his nonsensical criticism on this thread.
 
Damocles said:
He isn't the only one. Ron Paul has actually done these things and far before McCain.
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Another reason I like McCain is because he can unite many different blocks, Democrats, Inide's, Republicans, all while preserving fiscal discipline. He may not be perfect, and I don't agree with him on everything, but I know he's honest, he's a genuine war hero, this man has suffered more for America than all the other candidates combined, and he's a fiscal Conservative.
 
WRL said:
Another reason I like McCain is because he can unite many different blocks, Democrats, Inide's, Republicans, all while preserving fiscal discipline. He may not be perfect, and I don't agree with him on everything, but I know he's honest, he's a genuine war hero, this man has suffered more for America than all the other candidates combined, and he's a fiscal Conservative.
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Has he voted for unbalanced budgets? Did he vote for NCLB and the Pill Bill?

Fiscal conservative has become relative. If he's not an out and out socialist, he's a fiscal conservative right? Is W a fiscal conservative?
 
Beefy said:
Why don't you ever blast how much the Republicans spend? Why do you mindlessly worship everything they do?
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I don't, many of the Republicans who formed the majority where not of the Conservative brand, and sadly many that where, got taken for a ride, it has to do with the culture of Washington, parties have to unite and vote in blocks to get anything done with this 50 / 50 split that has been dominating Congress for so long. It takes 60 votes just to bring a bill to the floor of the Senate with a good hope of actually voting of it. That said, it's the reason we need a Fiscal Conservative as our next President, Bush has finally found his veto pen, and look what can be achieved on the budget with a strong, Fiscal Conservative at the helm. I mean the democrats are not going to cut spending anytime soon, look at the huge several month fight it was just to get them to reduce spending 20 billion.
 
There haven't been real fiscal conservatives in a long while. You have the idiots runnign around claiming that cutting taxes increases revenues and then increasing spending to boot. You end up with more spending, less revenues and ballooning debt.

At this point the only folks in power that can claim the mantle of fiscal conservatism are those that vote against both tax cuts and spending. They are few and far between.

At least the Democrats intend to pay for their spending programs through higher taxes whereas the Republicans just want to keep on taking out loans and cutting taxes.
 
Dungheap said:
At least the Democrats intend to pay for their spending programs through higher taxes whereas the Republicans just want to keep on taking out loans and cutting taxes.
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Small consolation considering that that government takes in $85 grand per second in receipts. We don't need more revenue, we don't need more spending, we don't need bigger government than we already have.

The democrats, yes, at least they admit that more spending means higher taxes, the republicans, jackass stallwarts that have no idea how anything works. So if those are my choices, I'll opt out.
 
Once again we hit another McCain high point, he originally was opposed to the Bush tax cuts, on the premise that they where not accompanied by spending cuts. But he has actually acknowledged that the tax cuts helped us out of the recession, but dungheap is right, we need tax cuts, accompanied by spending cuts. But I disagree that we need more spending right now, even if you plan to pay for it, we can't pay for what we're spending now, let's cover that first before expanding anymore.
 
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