What god did Einstein believe in?

[Dutch Uncle]

Excellent point.

In principle you actually could predict the roll of a die if you had perfect information about all the forces involved down to the molecular level, including momentum, angular velocity, friction, air resistance.

So once again, these MAGA morons are citing examples of human ignorance and lack of information. They are not posting proofs that physical reality is disorganized and arbitrary.

Agreed on all points....although I'd have to rely on people or computers to crunch the numbers. LOL

MAGA morons are, indeed, excellent examples of human ignorance but, worse, they are examples of disinformation by spreading conspiracy theories, declaring scientific fact as hoaxes, pushing bigotry and lies about fellow Americans and obtaining their "information" from dubious sources.

 

[Cypress]

Agreed on all points....although I'd have to rely on people or computers to crunch the numbers. LOL

MAGA morons are, indeed, excellent examples of human ignorance but, worse, they are examples of disinformation by spreading conspiracy theories, declaring scientific fact as hoaxes, pushing bigotry and lies about fellow Americans and obtaining their "information" from dubious sources.

I like your theory that the disposition of the conspiracy nutjob is attracted to chaos, and they are loathe to accept the universe is lawful, orderly, mathematically rational.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I like your theory that the disposition of the conspiracy nutjob is attracted to chaos, and they are loathe to accept the universe is lawful, orderly, mathematically rational.

We're agreed on the theory. Wish I could claim it, but I'm just a reader. At best, an armchair researcher...which is why I always include links to those who did the heavy lifting.

As posted elsewhere, I'm a big fan of Sun Tzu, especially "know thy enemy". Understanding is not condoning, but it does allow what Damo claims is "manipulation". LOL

 

[Into the Night]

$20 says Sybil has never been threatened by management with Rule #14. Wanna guess who has been threatened several times? LOL

Referring to yourself as third person again, Sybil?

 

[Into the Night]

The laws of probability are not random, arbitrary, unpredictable.

Random numbers are not used in probability mathematics.
You still can't predict the next roll of the die.

The Universe is a random dust cloud. Nothing more.

You are basing your worldview on randomness and arbitrariness.

The Universe is not a world.

I can tell you with a high degree of certainty that a fair die rolled a billion times will show a six almost exactly 166.6 million times (16.6% of all rolls)

No, you can't. You are confusing probability math with random number math. A die roll is randR. It will TEND to follow a 1:6 probability, but probability is not a guarantee.

Random equation. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

There is a correlation between conspiracy theorists and those who see the world (and the Universe) as chaos.

Sybil is a conspiracy theorist as are all JPP MAGAts albeit some are much deeper in the hole than others.

The "need for chaos" is linked to the sharing of conspiracy theories, study finds

New research suggests that a psychological concept known as "the need for chaos" plays a bigger role than partisanship and ideology in the sharing of conspiracy theories on the internet. The study, published in Research & Politics, indicates that individuals driven by a desire to disrupt and...

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The study, published in Research & Politics, indicates that individuals driven by a desire to disrupt and challenge established systems are more inclined to share conspiracy theories.

You fancy yourself a conspiracy theorist, Sybil? Considering your posts, I agree.
You do NOT support Trump.

 

[Into the Night]

Excellent point about conspiracy nutjobs and chaos.

Unrelated.

In principle you actually could predict the roll of a die if you had perfect information about all the forces involved down to the molecular level, including momentum, angular velocity, friction, air resistance.

Which is one part of random number mathematics. The other part is that it's all to generate a number between 1-6. By the time you complete the larger calculation, the die roll is no longer valid.

So once again, these MAGA morons are citing examples of human ignorance and lack of information. They are not posting proofs that physical reality is disorganized and arbitrary.

MAGA isn't a person, Cyborg. Knowing how random a random number is is not ignorance or lack of information. Knowing a probability is not ignorance or lack of information.

I don't need a proof. The Universe is what it is...a random dust cloud. It is a perfect random generator of type randR.
A die is also a random number generator of type randR, but not a perfect one.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed on all points....although I'd have to rely on people or computers to crunch the numbers. LOL

Go ahead, Sybil. You've got nothing but time on your hands.

MAGA morons are, indeed, excellent examples of human ignorance but, worse, they are examples of disinformation by spreading conspiracy theories, declaring scientific fact as hoaxes, pushing bigotry and lies about fellow Americans and obtaining their "information" from dubious sources.

MAGA isn't a person, Sybil.
You can't blame your problems on anybody else.
Science isn't involved here and never was. Magick Word.
You can't blame your racism and bigotry on anybody else, Sybil.

 

[Cypress]

Random numbers are not used in probability mathematics!
You still can't predict the next roll of the die!!

The Universe is a random dust cloud!! Nothing more!

In principle you could predict the roll of a die if you had perfect information about all the forces involved down to the molecular level, including momentum, angular velocity, friction, air resistance, etc.

So once again, you MAGA morons are unknowingly just citing examples of human ignorance and lack of adequate information. You are not posting proofs that physical reality is disorganized and arbitrary.

 

[Into the Night]

In principle you could predict the roll of a die if you had perfect information about all the forces involved down to the molecular level, including momentum, angular velocity, friction, air resistance, etc.

All to generate a number from 0-5 (1-6).

These two number are what define how random a random number is, Cyborg.

The Universe is a perfect randR generator. It is a random dust cloud.

So once again, you MAGA morons are unknowingly just citing examples of human ignorance and lack of adequate information. You are not posting proofs that physical reality is disorganized and arbitrary.

MAGA isn't a person, Cyborg.
It isn't ignorance to know how random a random number is.
It isn't lack of adequate information to know how random a random number is.
Go learn what 'real' means and how it's defined. Buzzword fallacy.
Go learn what 'proof' means. No proof necessary. Attempted force of negative proof fallacy.

The Universe is a random dust cloud.

 

[Cypress]

a random number!!

The universe doesn't care about your ignorance, or whether you lack adequate information to make a prediction about a die roll.

In principle, if you had unlimited computational power and perfect information at the molecular level about all the forces (momentum, air resistance, friction, angular velocity) acting on the die you could predict what number would be rolled.

It's perfectly deterministic. The universe doesn't care if you believe the die roll is arbitrary and unpredictable. That's a result of your lack of information, it is not a proof of the arbitrariness of the universe.

 

[IBDaMann]

I can tell you with a high degree of certainty that a fair die rolled a billion times will show a six almost exactly 166.6 million times (16.6% of all rolls)

Did you use the word "almost" without defining it? Did you also indicate that you would still have uncertainty? Comedy gold!

I'm going to roll one die twelve times. What will be those rolls in sequential order? Predict those rolls.

 

[Cypress]

Predict those rolls!

The universe doesn't care about your ignorance, or whether you lack adequate information to make a prediction about a die roll.

In principle, if you had unlimited computational power and perfect information at the molecular level about all the forces (momentum, air resistance, friction, angular velocity) acting on the die you could predict what number would be rolled.

It's perfectly deterministic from the point of view of the universe.
The universe doesn't care if you believe the die roll is arbitrary and unpredictable. That's a result of your lack of information, it is not a proof of the arbitrariness of the universe.

 

[IBDaMann]

The universe doesn't care about your ignorance,

Stupid comment. You've got a million of them.

or whether you lack adequate information to make a prediction about a die roll.

You're right back to your denial. The universe is not predictable because it is a random dust cloud. Either explain how the universe fails some test of randomness or accept that a random universe cannot be predicted.

In principle, if you had unlimited computational power and perfect information at the molecular level about all the forces (momentum, air resistance, friction, angular velocity) acting on the die you could predict what number would be rolled.

Did you just imply right here that no one will ever be able to predict the universe?

It's perfectly deterministic from the point of view of the universe.

The universe is one thing in the universe that does not have a point of view. "The universe" is a context, not a point of perspective within the universe.

The short answer is that a random dust cloud's determinism is insufficient to make it either predictable or rational.

The universe doesn't care if you believe the die roll is arbitrary and unpredictable.

How many of these do you have? I've got a few I can share with you.

* The universe doesn't care about straight line depreciation.
* The universe doesn't care about establishing proper qi flow
* The universe doesn't care about the Fair Housing accessibility requirements

That's a result of your lack of information

An assumption about random dust clouds is the lack of information leading to unpredictability.

, it is not a proof of the arbitrariness of the universe.

 

[Into the Night]

The universe doesn't care about your ignorance,

Buzzword fallacy (ignorance).

or whether you lack adequate information to make a prediction about a die roll.

Buzzword fallacy (adequate information).
The Universe is not a die.

In principle, if you had unlimited computational power and perfect information at the molecular level about all the forces (momentum, air resistance, friction, angular velocity) acting on the die you could predict what number would be rolled.

It's perfectly deterministic. The universe doesn't care if you believe the die roll is arbitrary and unpredictable. That's a result of your lack of information, it is not a proof of the arbitrariness of the universe.

Math error. Failure to declare ratio. False equivalence fallacy.
Buzzword fallacies (lack of information, proof, arbitrary).

Go learn English.

The Universe is a random dust cloud.

 

[Into the Night]

The universe doesn't care about your ignorance, or whether you lack adequate information to make a prediction about a die roll.

In principle, if you had unlimited computational power and perfect information at the molecular level about all the forces (momentum, air resistance, friction, angular velocity) acting on the die you could predict what number would be rolled.

It's perfectly deterministic from the point of view of the universe.
The universe doesn't care if you believe the die roll is arbitrary and unpredictable. That's a result of your lack of information, it is not a proof of the arbitrariness of the universe.

Repetition fallacy (chanting).