when gov agencies are weaponized (only for the open minded)

[Into the Night]

What's new or unique about that?

The ATF is a regulatory agency. It follows the general rules of how a bureaucracy runs. One version of those rules can be found in Parkinson's Law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_law

That is the ATF:

Will expand in size and attempt to expand what they regulate.

Will make more and more regulations with the intent of zero tolerance by default. That is, the bureaucratic mindset is more regulations means more need for regulators, means more employees, and results in more power for managers. Total regulation of something is where things go because that's the result of more regulations.

The bureaucracy will always work to its own benefit. If that means it has to lie or cheat to get its way, it will. Accountability is only placed on some expendable under-flunky who probably wasn't even involved if it comes to that. That is, the top management will always insulate itself from accountability.

It will also focus on the trivial.

This is also applicable to any other similar bureaucracy, in government or the private sector...

Exactly right. Government agencies do NOT use efficiency or profit as a success metric. Instead they must continuously justify their existence. If they have to create a problem so they can 'arrive like the cavalry to fix it', they will.
This is the essence of why Parkinson's law occurs.

 

[Into the Night]

gun owners of America. That is where I get my info.

Since you are hoplophobic, you are simply using confirmation bias to support your hoplophobia.

 

[Into the Night]

Interesting.
Is that a good or bad thing?

With the mayhem that Reagan, the Bushes, and Trump inflicted by wiping out necessary regulations,
maybe a little Draconian tyranny was required, no?

And what's more tyrannical than the Bush-imposed Patriot Act?

The Covid lockdowns, based on the hoax that Covid is actually dangerous or is going to be stopped this way.
Have you forgotten already?

 

[Into the Night]

I won't argue with you on the Patriot Act but the democrats supported it also, Obama also upheld it.

...and further perverted it.

 

[Into the Night]

Democrats make bad mistakes too. I've never denied that.

To actually be in the game, however, one has to cast one's lot with one of the two relevant parties,
as distasteful as that sometimes is.

If we had multiple parties that were actually viable.
we would not all be painted with the same brush for being in the same big tent.

Of course, the presidential elections would become useless as all future presidents would then be chosen by the House,
probably after weeks and even months worth of votes,
with coalitions forming and falling apart throughout the process.

The House does not vote for President.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no denying that the Patriot Act was the brainchild of Bush.

He is the one that pushed it and used his popularity at the time to get it through congress.

Well actually it was probably Rumsfeld and Cheney who thought of it, not Bush who is generally considered a really good guy now.

No. He's a RINO.

 

[Into the Night]

No cop-out. It is reality. We have a 2 party system. The other parties cannot win. Throw away your vote if you choose.

There are quite a few parties. Some have even been elected. None to President yet though.
There are both Libertarian members of Congress and Socialist party members of Congress.
There have also been Green Party members in Congress (none in the current Congress).

 

[Lightbringer]

There are quite a few parties. Some have even been elected. None to President yet though.
There are both Libertarian members of Congress and Socialist party members of Congress.
There have also been Green Party members in Congress (none in the current Congress).

Dumbass fallacy, you're a dumbass.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

this is a cop out. Instead of accepting your fault and blame for being bullied in to the lesser of two evils voting, you avoid it by calling any 3rd party 'not viable'...............a cop out.

If even half of those who said this stupid shit stuck to a principle and voted 3rd party, even once, you'd see a huge shift in political dynamics of the parties.

Nonsense.
Truculent votes for non-viable candidates can only result in the lesser preferred of the real candidates winning.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The Covid lockdowns, based on the hoax that Covid is actually dangerous or is going to be stopped this way.
Have you forgotten already?

The early variations of covid resulted in a huge number of deaths globally.
Each successive mutation became easier to catch but less deadly.

I should be more discreet in what I say, but I'm of a humor to be blunt right now.
I don't think that enough of you covid deniers died during the height of the pandemic.
I wouldn't have minded hearing about you going on the other side of the grass, just for one example.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The House does not vote for President.

You fucking idiot!

The presidential election only counts if somebody gets 50% of the electoral votes plus one.
If nobody does, the election is void and the House chooses the president.

You're one of the dipshits who thinks that our constitution is so great, and you don't even know what's in it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It is called reality.
In fact we have several parties, but the big 2 shuts them out. The debates make rules that 3rd and 4th parties cannot meet. If they could, they would change the rules again.

so you go right along with them, voting for the lesser of two evils......in other words, you're being played for your vote........you willingly participate in a scam

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Nonsense.
Truculent votes for non-viable candidates can only result in the lesser preferred of the real candidates winning.

so you prefer to surrender your principles in order to participate in the 2 party system where your vote is only worth the lesser of two evils?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

so you prefer to surrender your principles in order to participate in the 2 party system where your vote is only worth the lesser of two evils?

One of the two major party candidates is going to win....period.
Let's begin with that reality.

What votes for irrelevant, non-viable candidates do

is make it possible for the less tolerable of the two people who actually can win

to actually win.

If you actually want to advocate for your exact principles,

help your faction take control of one of the major parties.




The oligarchs took over control of the Republican Party, for example,

by pandering to racists and xenophobes

and getting extremely stupid poor people

to vote for the candidates controlled by the oligarchs

100% against their own economic best interests.



This is easy for intelligent people to understand,

so find one to try to explain it to you.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

One of the two major party candidates is going to win....period.
Let's begin with that reality.

What votes for irrelevant, non-viable candidates do

is make it possible for the less tolerable of the two people who actually can win

to actually win.

If you actually want to advocate for your exact principles,

help your faction take control of one of the major parties.




The oligarchs took over control of the Republican Party, for example,

by pandering to racists and xenophobes

and getting extremely stupid poor people

to vote for the candidates controlled by the oligarchs

100% against their own economic best interests.



This is easy for intelligent people to understand,

so find one to try to explain it to you.

all I hear is you making excuses for not being courageous enough to have principles, instead you choose to be led around by the nose ring of the DNC

 

[Into the Night]

Dumbass fallacy, you're a dumbass.

No such fallacy. Mockery. Insult fallacy. No argument presented (trolling).

 

[Into the Night]

The early variations of covid resulted in a huge number of deaths globally.

Each successive mutation became easier to catch but less deadly.

I should be more discreet in what I say, but I'm of a humor to be blunt right now.
I don't think that enough of you covid deniers died during the height of the pandemic.
I wouldn't have minded hearing about you going on the other side of the grass, just for one example.

Covid19 does not kill. No variant of the Covid/SARS series of viruses kills. You cannot have a variant of a variant. Your belief in the Church of Covid is based on paradoxes. Your hoax won't work anymore.

 

[Into the Night]

You fucking idiot!

The presidential election only counts if somebody gets 50% of the electoral votes plus one.
If nobody does, the election is void and the House chooses the president.

You're one of the dipshits who thinks that our constitution is so great, and you don't even know what's in it.

You need to read the 12th amendment again. The House does not vote for President. It forms a committee of electors who vote for President in that narrow case.

Special pleading fallacy. Discard of the Constitution of the United States.

There was no election in 2020. That election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.
The 2022 election also faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

 

[gfm7175]

you could have just said that you didn't want to read the article so you didn't have to face facts that your precious executive is a tyrant. at least that would have been honest

Only Republicans are tyrants... remember?

 

[Into the Night]

One of the two major party candidates is going to win....period.
Let's begin with that reality.

What votes for irrelevant, non-viable candidates do

is make it possible for the less tolerable of the two people who actually can win

to actually win.

If you actually want to advocate for your exact principles,

help your faction take control of one of the major parties.




The oligarchs took over control of the Republican Party, for example,

by pandering to racists and xenophobes

and getting extremely stupid poor people

to vote for the candidates controlled by the oligarchs

100% against their own economic best interests.



This is easy for intelligent people to understand,

so find one to try to explain it to you.

Inversion fallacy. The Oligarchy is created by DEMOCRATS.