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Topspin, I am truly sorry that you are currently losing your shirt.

I understand how difficult that must be for you.
 
Onceler said:
I suppose that's true, but I wouldn't say the Dems entire campaign is based on lie & distraction.

I would say that about McCain/Palin at this point.
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Yeah. Chap is falling for the faux equivalence game that the media, and people like Damo knowingly play. The Republican’s will tell lie after big lie, day after day, and then they will find one exaggeration from the Obama camp and juxtapose them as if they were in any way equal. It’s something they’ve done for years, and it’s always worked pretty well for them.
 
Darla said:
Yeah. Chap is falling for the faux equivalence game that the media, and people like Damo knowingly play. The Republican’s will tell lie after big lie, day after day, and then they will find one exaggeration from the Obama camp and juxtapose them as if they were in any way equal. It’s something they’ve done for years, and it’s always worked pretty well for them.
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lol how am i falling for lies?
 
Onceler said:
Topspin, I am truly sorry that you are currently losing your shirt.

I understand how difficult that must be for you.
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I hate to admit this, but I'm a really honest person, even on here, I just always feel compelled to be so, I don't know why...and the truth is, I'm not sorry at all. He's a very ugly human being. Much worse things will happen to much better people today.
 
Oncelor, I'm sure I'm still way better off than a dork like you.

The Palin buzz will wear off, and dems and moderate independents will see her for the Jesus freak right wingnut she is. The issues taking back over can't get here soon enough for me. Who needs trooper gate when you have her on missions from Jesus.
 
Darla said:
Yeah. Chap is falling for the faux equivalence game that the media, and people like Damo knowingly play. The Republican’s will tell lie after big lie, day after day, and then they will find one exaggeration from the Obama camp and juxtapose them as if they were in any way equal. It’s something they’ve done for years, and it’s always worked pretty well for them.
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I can't remember the last campaign where a Republican "attacked the issues." It's all "global test," and "the 2 Al Gores," and "he thinks he invented the internet!"

The past 2 weeks, Obama has been out there hammering issues: education, Iraq, the economy, the environment. And what happens? He gets criticized for seeming too "professorial," and barely a word is heard above lipstick, huntin' moose, repetitive quips about what a "community organizer" is & other BS.

It can be a real downer. Everyone, on both sides, seems to agree that this is a pretty crucial election, and yet it's treated like an episode of "Real World"...
 
I saw this coming and planned accordingly. At the sacrifice of some projected profit, but as it turns out....
 
Darla said:
Chap there is no equivalence between the campaign Obama is running and the campaign McCain/Palin are running. One is based nearly completely, on lies. If you don’t know that, then yeah, you’ve been had.
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I have said repeatedly im voting for Obama. I cheered for him over Hillary for a year. I do like McCain but at this point hes to old. Completely out of touch with reality. Thinks economy was sound yesterday. LOL.. doesn't know how many houses he owns.. Come on. Biden was a dud pick tho... mistake #1 Grande
 
The press is finally coming around to reporting what most of here have been saying for weeks, that John McCain is running a campaign based on lies, smears and culture war wedge politics. For while the media gave their old friend a pass. They know John McCain and he wouldn't run a campaign like that they claimed. It's his campaign advisors they claimed, not John McCain.

All that bullshit is over and John McCain is personally being held to blame now. When he's lost Richard "Only a Fool or a Frenchman" Cohen, he's lost them all (well, maybe we'll have to wait for Broder to call out McCain). Here's Cohen's column from today:

Following his loss to George W. Bush in the 2000 South Carolina primary, John McCain did something extraordinary: He confessed to lying about how he felt about the Confederate battle flag, which he actually abhorred. "I broke my promise to always tell the truth," McCain said. Now he has broken that promise so completely that the John McCain of old is unrecognizable. He has become the sort of politician he once despised.

The precise moment of McCain's abasement came, would you believe, not at some news conference or on one of the Sunday shows but on "The View," the daytime TV show created by Barbara Walters. Last week, one of the co-hosts, Joy Behar, took McCain to task for some of the ads his campaign has been running. One deliberately mischaracterized what Barack Obama had said about putting lipstick on a pig -- an Americanism that McCain himself has used. The other asserted that Obama supported teaching sex education to kindergarteners.

"We know that those two ads are untrue," Behar said. "They are lies."

Freeze. Close in on McCain. This was the moment. He has largely been avoiding the press. The Straight Talk Express is now just a brand, an ad slogan like "Home Cooking" or "We Will Not Be Undersold." Until then, it was possible for McCain to say that he had not really known about the ads, that the formulation "I approve this message" was just boilerplate. But he didn't.

"Actually, they are not lies," he said.

Actually, they are.

McCain has turned ugly. His dishonesty would be unacceptable in any politician, but McCain has always set his own bar higher than most. He has contempt for most of his colleagues for that very reason: They lie. He tells the truth. He internalizes the code of the McCains -- his grandfather, his father: both admirals of the shining sea. He serves his country differently, that's all -- but just as honorably. No more, though.

I am one of the journalists accused over the years of being in the tank for McCain. Guilty. Those doing the accusing usually attributed my feelings to McCain being accessible. This is the journalist-as-puppy school of thought: Give us a treat, and we will leap into a politician's lap.

Not so. What impressed me most about McCain was the effect he had on his audiences, particularly young people. When he talked about service to a cause greater than oneself, he struck a chord. He expressed his message in words, but he packaged it in the McCain story -- that man, beaten to a pulp, who chose honor over freedom. This had nothing to do with access. It had to do with integrity.

McCain has soiled all that. His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir -- the person in whose hands he would leave the country -- is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president. McCain knows that. He means to win, which is all right; he means to win at all costs, which is not.

At a forum last week at Columbia University, McCain said, "But right now we have to restore trust and confidence in government." This was always the promise of John McCain, the single best reason to vote for him. America has been cheated on too many times -- the lies of Vietnam and Watergate and Iraq. So many lies. Who believes that in Afghanistan last month, only five civilians were killed by the American military in an airstrike, instead of the approximately 90 claimed by the Afghan government? Not me. I first gave up on the military during Vietnam and then again when it covered up the death of Pat Tillman, the Army Ranger and former NFL player who was killed in 2004 by friendly fire.

McCain was going to fix all that. He was going to look the American people in the eyes and say, not me. I will not lie to you. I am John McCain, son and grandson of admirals. I tell the truth.

But Joy Behar knew better. And so McCain lied about his lying and maybe thinks that if he wins the election, he can -- as he did in South Carolina -- renounce who he was and what he did and resume his old persona. It won't work. Karl Marx got one thing right -- what he said about history repeating itself. Once is tragedy, a second time is farce. John McCain is both.
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Dungheap said:
The press is finally coming around to reporting what most of here have been saying for weeks, that John McCain is running a campaign based on lies, smears and culture war wedge politics. For while the media gave their old friend a pass. They know John McCain and he wouldn't run a campaign like that they claimed. It's his campaign advisors they claimed, not John McCain.

All that bullshit is over and John McCain is personally being held to blame now. When he's lost Richard "Only a Fool or a Frenchman" Cohen, he's lost them all (well, maybe we'll have to wait for Broder to call out McCain). Here's Cohen's column from today:
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I read this earlier this morning. I agree, considering who it’s coming from, McCain has lost his “base”.
 
you leftards are ignorant and funny.
Obama crushes on the issues. But he lies equally. He's a politician. And your a high school level equivalent if you don't get that.
 
Topspin said:
you leftards are ignorant and funny.
Obama crushes on the issues. But he lies equally. He's a politician. And your a high school level equivalent if you don't get that.
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Obama does not "lie equally." I agree he's a politician, same on many levels as the rest, but the McCain campaign has taken lying to a different level in this campaign, that Obama has not matched. Even Karl Rove agrees with me.

Good insults, though. Really scathing.
 
Obama's are little white lies like = Bush or playing victim before being called a name faux outrage.
I say he crushes the fuck out of Mcfossil and the religious freak on the issues and he should stick to them.
 
McCain pledged to run a clean issue drivrn campaign. He is running a rovian style negative campaign just like Bush did. Does that tell you anything about who will run a McCain presidency ?

Or do you need a godsmack between the eyes to clear it up for ya ?
 
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