fight over concealed weapons in wisconsin courtrooms

big shock, those with power want protection for themselves. I wonder what goes through their mind when they're told that they aren't worthy enough to get that privilege?
 
MORE GENIES! said:
Funny thing, we're about to abolish no carry zones here. Only federal property will be off limits.
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Funny thing, I carried in a state sponsored no carry zone yesterday. Forgot I was packing before it was too late. Oh well, we had our visit and I departed and no one was hurt or the wiser. No carry zones really stink. I like the Texas law where businesses have to be very specific when they don't want you to carry.
 
leaningright said:
Funny thing, I carried in a state sponsored no carry zone yesterday. Forgot I was packing before it was too late. Oh well, we had our visit and I departed and no one was hurt or the wiser. No carry zones really stink. I like the Texas law where businesses have to be very specific when they don't want you to carry.
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Gun toting preacher, shades of Joel McCrea or Daniel Craig!
 
leaningright said:
Funny thing, I carried in a state sponsored no carry zone yesterday. Forgot I was packing before it was too late. Oh well, we had our visit and I departed and no one was hurt or the wiser. No carry zones really stink. I like the Texas law where businesses have to be very specific when they don't want you to carry.
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we're going to eventually do away with that as well. business' that operate in the public sphere will have a limited property right in that they won't be able to ban weapons.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
we're going to eventually do away with that as well. business' that operate in the public sphere will have a limited property right in that they won't be able to ban weapons.
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Isn't that taking away their right to decide what is right for their business? If you can't carry, go to another business, it is just like cigarette smoking. Where do my rights end and yours begin?
 
Rana said:
Isn't that taking away their right to decide what is right for their business? If you can't carry, go to another business, it is just like cigarette smoking. Where do my rights end and yours begin?
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This is kind of where I am at on this part of it. I do in fact look at it like smoking used to be....note used to be before states started passing laws. But seriously, if a business has a no firearm sign up, I don't go there. He just lost my business. That is his right and I exercise mine as to whether I want to do business with him.

As to the pistol packin preacher...well, I've been one for a long time. My motto is: Trust in God, but keep your powder dry.
 
Rana said:
Isn't that taking away their right to decide what is right for their business? If you can't carry, go to another business, it is just like cigarette smoking. Where do my rights end and yours begin?
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isn't that like taking away a persons right to wear a helmet or not?
 
Rana said:
Isn't that taking away their right to decide what is right for their business? If you can't carry, go to another business, it is just like cigarette smoking. Where do my rights end and yours begin?
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The proper comparison would be carrying a pack of cigarettes into a store vs. carrying a concealed weapon. It is the use of either than could potentially harm other patrons or the owner.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
isn't that like taking away a persons right to wear a helmet or not?
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I think carrying a concealed weapon is a little different than wearing a helmet, and by the way, I don't support helmet laws, let the fools go without, it is their personal choice to endanger themselves, fine with me, but having people bring guns into my establishment is a horse of a different color.
 
Rana said:
A concealed weapon can be used to harm myself or my other patrons. People who refuse to wear helmets, seatbelts, etc, only hurt themselves.
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a pencil can be used to harm you or others in your business, are you going to prohibit them? how about forks and knives?
 
Rana said:
I agree
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then would you object to a person walking into your store with a concealed pack of cigs? a concealed weapon? I know the degree/rapidity of injury they can cause vastly differs. Just looking to see if it is enough of a difference to draw the line between the two. Especially given that the same concealed weapon could also be used to save you/others.
 
Let's just say for the sake of argument that I am a flaming liberal and my business caters to the liberal types, providing them a place where they can come drink their lattes or cappuccinos or whatever...all while watching the latest MSNBC episodes of Rachel Maddow or Mr. Ed. I should have the right to put a state sanctioned sign on the window prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons since I have an objection to it. After all, it's my place of business.

Now let's say (more realistically) that I have a business which caters to the gun toting, Outdoor Channel watching, anti-Obama, black coffee drinking, bible thumping rednecks. I should have the right to do the same thing. Again, it's my place of business.

Now, in business 1 above, I wouldn't expect STY to frequent the place no more than I would expect Jarod to frequent business 2. It then becomes their choice.
 
leaningright said:
Let's just say for the sake of argument that I am a flaming liberal and my business caters to the liberal types, providing them a place where they can come drink their lattes or cappuccinos or whatever...all while watching the latest MSNBC episodes of Rachel Maddow or Mr. Ed. I should have the right to put a state sanctioned sign on the window prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons since I have an objection to it. After all, it's my place of business.

Now let's say (more realistically) that I have a business which caters to the gun toting, Outdoor Channel watching, anti-Obama, black coffee drinking, bible thumping rednecks. I should have the right to do the same thing. Again, it's my place of business.

Now, in business 1 above, I wouldn't expect STY to frequent the place no more than I would expect Jarod to frequent business 2. It then becomes their choice.
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Just playing devils advocate... but in store 1 above, would the owner be held liable if a person with a CCP was denied the ability to carry in the store and was subsequently shot during a robbery? Or would the owner of the gun assume responsibility upon entering a facility where the gun owner knew he wasn't allowed to carry?
 
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