Europe's on the brink of probably the gravest and most frightening tumult of our life

5 Reasons Greece and the Rest of the Eurozone Are On the Road to Hell

http://www.alternet.org/economy/155...rest_of_the_eurozone_are_on_the_road_to_hell/

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Got Austerity???
 
bdw said:
Uh, there is no "austerity." It is a myth.

Out-of-control spending will be the end of us. I kind of hope Obama gets reelected just so that will be settled once and for all. It will take awhile to rebuild, but liberals won't return to power for 100 years, which is a plus.
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Yes, dipshit, that is indeed the rightwing plan; prove that the US doesn't work (having insidiously destroyed it), then re-build in their own traitorous image. Welcome to facsism and Oligarchy, which you are ignorantly eager for.
 
Rune said:
Yes, dipshit, that is indeed the rightwing plan; prove that the US doesn't work (having insidiously destroyed it), then re-build in their own traitorous image. Welcome to facsism and Oligarchy, which you are ignorantly eager for.
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PRune still in denial......Europe's little love affair with socialism is now coming back to do what it does to all Nations that fuck with it......bankrupt them.....

and that is the plan of the liberal socialist Democrats for this country....

Cloward-Piven is a much talked-about strategy proposed in the mid-1960′s by two Columbia University sociology professors named Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The Cloward-Piven approach was sometimes referred to as the “crisis strategy,” which they believed were a means to “end poverty.”

http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/cloward-piven-paradise-now/

We are fortunate that we will witness the turmoil in Europe before we too have gone too far to the left....

Socialism is the killer of nations......its failed in every country its been tried.......
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Need I remind you that it all started in the good 'ol USA in the first place and it looks like you are going to get it back again after doing the rounds in Euroland. Consider it an early Xmas present!!
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actually, it might be good for us....Chinese labor is starting to get more expensive......corporations can set up factories in Europe and get people to work for pennies per hour.......
 
Rune said:
Yes, dipshit, that is indeed the rightwing plan; prove that the US doesn't work (having insidiously destroyed it), then re-build in their own traitorous image. Welcome to facsism and Oligarchy, which you are ignorantly eager for.
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Does that shit actually seem sane to you?

Seriously, seek help.
 
bdw said:
Does that shit actually seem sane to you?

Seriously, seek help.
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How else could one possibly explain Bush/Cheney? It is all explained in the book "The Wrecking Crew". I highly reccomend you read it. Seriously.
 
bravo said:
PRune still in denial......Europe's little love affair with socialism is now coming back to do what it does to all Nations that fuck with it......bankrupt them.....

and that is the plan of the liberal socialist Democrats for this country....

Cloward-Piven is a much talked-about strategy proposed in the mid-1960′s by two Columbia University sociology professors named Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The Cloward-Piven approach was sometimes referred to as the “crisis strategy,” which they believed were a means to “end poverty.”

http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/cloward-piven-paradise-now/

We are fortunate that we will witness the turmoil in Europe before we too have gone too far to the left....

Socialism is the killer of nations......its failed in every country its been tried.......
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It's globalism that is destroying us all right now, idiot, but keep telling yourself whatever lies have been working so far.
 
Rune said:
How else could one possibly explain Bush/Cheney?
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What aspect of Bush/Cheney, specifically? I am no fan of George W. Bush. I didn't like the Iraq War, and I thought cutting taxes while increasing spending was a terrible idea. Bush was incompetent for sure. But do I think there was a vast conspiracy on the part of Bush and his advisers to intentionally fuck over the country? No.
 
I would say that the same applies for Obama. He's not part of some grand conspiracy to hurt this country, is not foreign born, is not a Muslim secretly promoting Islamist Jihad, or anything like that. Just as with Bush, he happens to be President, and he happens to be wrong about a great many things.
 
Anyway, back when I was first starting to follow politics (circa 2000-2002), I used to predict that Europe would meet it's demise by 2020. All these dire predictions are actually working to lend credence to my prophesies. It's kind of trippy, although, of course, I'm still gearing up to party on Dec. 21st, so it's all supposed to be irrelevant...
 
Threedee said:
Anyway, back when I was first starting to follow politics (circa 2000-2002), I used to predict that Europe would meet it's demise by 2020. All these dire predictions are actually working to lend credence to my prophesies. It's kind of trippy, although, of course, I'm still gearing up to party on Dec. 21st, so it's all supposed to be irrelevant...
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Same here. We shall live in...interesting times.
 
bravo said:
PRune still in denial......Europe's little love affair with socialism is now coming back to do what it does to all Nations that fuck with it......bankrupt them.....

and that is the plan of the liberal socialist Democrats for this country....

Cloward-Piven is a much talked-about strategy proposed in the mid-1960′s by two Columbia University sociology professors named Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The Cloward-Piven approach was sometimes referred to as the “crisis strategy,” which they believed were a means to “end poverty.”

http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/cloward-piven-paradise-now/

We are fortunate that we will witness the turmoil in Europe before we too have gone too far to the left....

Socialism is the killer of nations......its failed in every country its been tried.......
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You ought to be a bit more contrite but then that's not really your style, is it?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...why-the-euro-crisis-matters-to-americans.html
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I can only hope that this will not come to pass but it's not looking good. If you want to feel smug and laugh at the poor Europeans then do so, but be warned that you will not escape either.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ably-gravest-frightening-tumult-lifetime.html
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(Excerpt from posted link) Greece, like Italy, espouses a historic culture of corruption and tax-evasion that may enable those countries to muddle along in splendid isolation, but disqualifies them as partners in an economic union with northern Europe. (End)

Superfreak said:
Greece couldn't repay its debt prior to its economy shrinking 20% because it had too much debt from promising all sorts of entitlements to its population.
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The money was there. The money is there. The problem is corruption and tax-evasion.

bdw said:
What aspect of Bush/Cheney, specifically? I am no fan of George W. Bush. I didn't like the Iraq War, and I thought cutting taxes while increasing spending was a terrible idea. Bush was incompetent for sure. But do I think there was a vast conspiracy on the part of Bush and his advisers to intentionally fuck over the country? No.
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Their plan was to destroy any chance of implementing social programs. Rumsfeld said the war with Iraq was an option they could afford. How could they afford a war when 45,000 US citizens, per year, were dying due to their inability to afford health insurance? (Harvard study)

Why would a country declare war and then cut taxes? The only reason was to ensure the debt would be so high that it would prevent social programs from being considered. By wasting the money (war) and refusing to increase revenue (cut taxes) there was no reserve to help with the bail-out.

This idea that countries can not support the less fortunate is nonsense. Automation and technology can provide the necessities. The problem is only a handful has control and while reaping the benefits they refuse to pay proper taxes. The average person knows that and does the same thing. Sooner or later it catches up with everyone.

As the article states, “…a historic culture of corruption and tax-evasion that may enable those countries to muddle along in splendid isolation, but disqualifies them as partners in an economic union with northern Europe.”

Stated another way they have a different monetary policy. Bartering, tax evasion, corruption….Many people have a “connection”. It’s those that don’t who suffer. It has nothing to do with not being able to look after the needy. There are sufficient resources. The problem is the resources are exchanged between a select group of people. The government can not or will not ensure it has access to those resources resulting in those who require them not receiving them.

The same situation and results will occur across the world as more and more people come to realize there are sufficient resources. That doesn’t mean stealing the wealthy person’s belongings. It means playing fair. What is the point of supporting ones country when ones country will sit back and watch individuals go hungry or lack medical attention, regardless of what country we wish to discuss?
 
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