Bias against Mormon presidential candidate unchanged since 1967, poll finds

Bashing any politician on the basis of religion is a sign of weakness, IMO, unless the politician is threatening to use public office to impose their beliefs on the citizenry.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I would like for you explain how it is that so many "devout Mormons" seemed to have no problem ploughing money into gambling, hotels, prostitution and involvement with the Mafia in places like Las Vegas?



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First... They are one of the few religions that believe that they won't be the only ones in Heaven. They get the best bits, but other religions will be there.

Second... Their religion isn't against people making money.
 
Yurt said:
sorry, that was above your head.

are you saying that a muslim should not be president?
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Did I say that? No. I have no problem with a Muslim being president if he keeps his religion out of his policies.

MORE GENIES! said:
Tad big and too international to be a cult there bigot.
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Mormons pad their numbers by circling the globe and baptizing unaware third world citizens and by baptizing the dead. Mitt actually had his dead Jewish father-in-law converted to Mormonism.

MORE GENIES! said:
So religion IS important.
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Only in a case like this:

Howey said:
It shouldn't matter at all what religion a presidential candidate is.

Until that candidate starts combining his campaign and policies with his religion.

Then there's a problem and in Romney's case, it's a big problem.
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I'll be posting a new thread about this later.
 
Damocles said:
Well, did. I know in the past they had funds to pay the Priests to get people into heaven... they would baptize and pray for the dead. I'm not sure if it is still practiced, although praying for the dead certainly is.
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We don't baptize the dead... possibly someone on his deathbed but not actually dead. Paying for people to get into heaven (or get other blessings) is called simony, and it's against canon law. We do pray for the dead. Years ago when I was in a fundamentalist Christian bible study, we were told not to pray for the dead because they were already judged and we couldn't sway that judgment through prayer. However, that's not Catholic teaching.
 
christiefan915 said:
We don't baptize the dead... possibly someone on his deathbed but not actually dead. Paying for people to get into heaven (or get other blessings) is called simony, and it's against canon law. We do pray for the dead. Years ago when I was in a fundamentalist Christian bible study, we were told not to pray for the dead because they were already judged and we couldn't sway that judgment through prayer. However, that's not Catholic teaching.
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Yet it was done. As I said I was unsure if it was still practiced, but I absolutely know it happened in the past.

While I personally don't give a rip, there are many people who don't want prayers after they are dead... just as there are many people who don't want to be baptized as LDS after they are dead. I don't care if people pray for my soul after I am dead or baptize me into their religion. I think I'll be here, or some other nice planet, learning more about life and working towards Nirvana.

Although the Mormon idea of heaven is cooler than other Christian based religions... at least they don't believe that singing perpetual infinite hosannas is "heaven"...
 
Damocles said:
Yet it was done. As I said I was unsure if it was still practiced, but I absolutely know it happened in the past.

While I personally don't give a rip, there are many people who don't want prayers after they are dead... just as there are many people who don't want to be baptized as LDS after they are dead. I don't care if people pray for my soul after I am dead or baptize me into their religion. I think I'll be here, or some other nice planet, learning more about life and working towards Nirvana.

Although the Mormon idea of heaven is cooler than other Christian based religions... at least they don't believe that singing perpetual infinite hosannas is "heaven"...
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Well, I can't refute whether it was done or not, because people will do what they want to do. I'm only saying that the practice is officially forbidden by the Catholic church, and supposedly not practiced by other mainstream Christians either.
 
christiefan915 said:
Well, I can't refute whether it was done or not, because people will do what they want to do. I'm only saying that the practice is officially forbidden by the Catholic church, and supposedly not practiced by other mainstream Christians either.
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Yeah, it appears it was banned in 393 AD, however what was practiced as somebody standing in and answering for them... The practice was called "baptized FOR the dead"...

Basically my "dead body" (present or not) would be asked if I wanted baptism. Somebody standing in "for" me would answer in the affirmative, and would get the droplets of water.... however my soul would be the one to receive the benefit. This was based on the verse in 1 Corinthians 15:29 where Paul asks about those who were baptized "for" the dead.

This was practiced until 393 AD, where two different councils, the Synod of Hippo which was confirmed by a later council (Third Council of Carthage) decided that it would no longer be practiced.

There were churches in the dark ages that simply didn't follow that and would charge for Prayers and entry into heaven...
 
Damocles said:
First... They are one of the few religions that believe that they won't be the only ones in Heaven. They get the best bits, but other religions will be there.

Second... Their religion isn't against people making money.
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Apparently it isn't against hypocrisy either, I just don't understand how you find it so easy to endorse a 'religion' that specifically bans gambling, sex and practically everything else for its own members yet turns a total blind eye if it's business. Does the Catholic Church do that?
 
christiefan915 said:
Well, I can't refute whether it was done or not, because people will do what they want to do. I'm only saying that the practice is officially forbidden by the Catholic church, and supposedly not practiced by other mainstream Christians either.
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It was the sale of indulgences that Damo was talking about. Which was done by the Catholic Church.
 
Rana said:
Jehovah's Witness and Latter Day Saints are both considered cults of Christianity.
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generally speaking, when an organization survives the death of it's founder it is considered a "sect" rather than a "cult".......when a "sect" reaches sufficient size it is considered a denomination.....
 
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BAN HAMMER said:
It was the sale of indulgences that Damo was talking about. Which was done by the Catholic Church.
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actually that is something different.....indulgences were scripts signed by the pope or other high official stating that the aforenamed deceased was not actually a sinner and therefore, was not destined for hell......
 
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