Tesla Model S launched! Finally we see what the future of electric cars can be.

[Guns Guns Guns]

Yes, I know the meaning of the word. And simply admitting that I can afford a vehicle that costs less than the vehicle I now own and drive for work is not boasting.

Your boasting seems to lack the tone I'd expect to see in "simply admitting" something.

Nothing reticent about this, is there?

I am certainly not ashamed that I make a good living. I have worked hard to achieve the career I have, and I enjoy the rewards.

...my house costs more than the Tesla does. If I had less than the cost of the Tesla in my retirement account I wouldn't be retiring.

So now you're boasting about the value of your home and the size of your retirement account?

I don't know, is it?

That's what I asked.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Your boasting seems to lack the tone I'd expect to see in "simply admitting" something.

Nothing reticent about this, is there?

Oh, so now you are judging it based on tone? How should I state it? Should I be ashamed of making a good living? I provide a valuable service to my employer, and they reward me for that and for the decade+ that I have been a good employee. Why would I hide the fact that I can afford something nice?

So now you're boasting about the value of your home and the size of your retirement account?

The Tesla starts at under $60k. How many homes cost less than $60k? How many people retire on less than $60k?

That's what I asked.

Then perhaps you should do some research to find the answer. Although, what is "exciting" to one person may not be to someone else. And whether or not you are "astounded" may depend on what astounds you.

Does the Honda excite you? Do you find the technology of the Honda astounding? Do you think the Honda is a sign of the future?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Oh, so now you are judging it based on tone? How should I state it? Should I be ashamed of making a good living? I provide a valuable service to my employer, and they reward me for that and for the decade+ that I have been a good employee. Why would I hide the fact that I can afford something nice?

Did anyone say that you should be ashamed of your earnings?

Does the fact that you are proud mean you are boastful?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boastful

The Tesla starts at under $60k. How many homes cost less than $60k? How many people retire on less than $60k?

Perhaps you should do some research to find the answers.

Although, what is "exciting" to one person may not be to someone else. And whether or not you are "astounded" may depend on what astounds you.

Can you explain what's "astounding" about the Tesla?

Does the Honda excite you? Do you find the technology of the Honda astounding? Do you think the Honda is a sign of the future?

Nope.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Did anyone say that you should be ashamed of your earnings?

By my simply admitting that I could afford a car that costs less than $60 (under $50k after the federal tax credit) you say I am boasting. So you certainly implied I should hide what I can afford.

Does the fact that you are proud mean you are boastful?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boastful

As for the definition, I did not speak in such a way as to glorify myself or talk in a self-admiring way. I said I could afford a car, after you asked twice about my ability to do so.

I also did not "...speak with excessive pride" concerning my ability to buy the car.

So no, I did not boast.

Perhaps you should do some research to find the answers.

Or perhaps you should? I started this thread about the Tesla. You are the one bringing up the Honda.

Can you explain what's "astounding" about the Tesla?

Nope.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

By my simply admitting that I could afford a car that costs less than $60 (under $50k after the federal tax credit) you say I am boasting. So you certainly implied I should hide what I can afford.

You stated correctly that you could hide what you can afford.

Then you boasted that you could afford a Tesla.

The discussion of the Tesla does not include information on my personal finances. I can indulge you. Yes, I could afford a Tesla.

...I did not boast.

Yes, you did.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boast

http://www.openbible.info/topics/boastful

Repent.

So, can you explain what's "exciting" and "astounding" about the Tesla, or not?

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Lulz, and people think Legion isn't a troll.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

You stated correctly that you could hide what you can afford.

Then you boasted that you could afford a Tesla.

You seem to have a warped idea of what "boast" means. Based on the definition you provided, I did not boast.

Most people I know (in my age bracket) could afford the car if they really wanted it. A second mortgage on most homes would cover the car quite easily. Whether they would have to adjust their standard of living or forego some other items they planned to buy, they could afford it.

You asked and I answered in the meekest way possible. In fact, I did not make it sound like I could run out and buy 3 or 4 of them or pay cash. I simply stated that I could afford it.

Yes, you did.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boast

http://www.openbible.info/topics/boastful

Repent.

Spare me the biblical references. Unless you decide to live by those standards, I'll take my religious admonitions from elsewhere.

So, can you explain what's "exciting" and "astounding" about the Tesla, or not?

Can I or will I? Let me answer that for you. Yes, I can. No, I won't.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

You seem to have a warped idea of what "boast" means. Based on the definition you provided, I did not boast.

I seem to have cited the dictionary and the Bible.

You boasted.

You asked and I answered in the meekest way possible. In fact, I did not make it sound like I could run out and buy 3 or 4 of them or pay cash. I simply stated that I could afford it.

Meekest way possible?

You simply boasted that you could afford it.

And a house that costs more than the Tesla.

And you boasted about your retirement account.

Did I miss anything?

Spare me the biblical references. Unless you decide to live by those standards, I'll take my religious admonitions from elsewhere.

Fair enough. Want to debate abortion rights?

Can I or will I? Let me answer that for you. Yes, I can. No, I won't.

So this thread was meaningless?

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

So this thread was meaningless?

Not at the beginning. But you certainly took it down the road to meaningless.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Not at the beginning. But you certainly took it down the road to meaningless.

By establishing the fact that you can't explain what makes the subject of your thread "astounding" or "exciting"?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

First of all, no family I ever knew of stopped 30 minutes every 2.5 hrs to shop on a long family road trip. With my dad, you might have gotten to stop at 4 hrs. unless the trip was only 5, then you'd have to just hold out. The second point is... do you think you could drive confidently to the end of your charge, without fear of running out, knowing that you had the proper recharge availability ahead, to the point you could cut it that close? Wouldn't you need to kind of factor in a safety zone, so that you don't (heaven forbid) lose your power along the interstate? I don't imagine that would be easy to fix.. it's not like Goober can hook his jumper cables up and have your Tesla on its way. I'm sure they would have special charging trucks, but how many and where? Suddenly, you think everyone is going to invest in these out of nowhere?

Not to mention... there are ranches across Texas that take more than 2.5 hrs to drive across. The same for Montana and Wyoming... and Alaska? Forget about it.



Well you know, before they had cars, horses had to rest sometimes overnight, before traveling on. Eventually that's what we'll be back to, because the even bigger point is completely being ignored. Right now, electricity is cheap and plentiful, in the Liberal Utopian world where everyone drives a Tesla, the demand on electricity would cause the price to dramatically increase. The real problem is going to be when you have to PAY for the recharge. OR.. when your Tesla doesn't quite make it to the next available recharge station, and you have to PAY the recharge truck. On top of the $50-100k investment, you'll have the cost of electricity. Now, your home electric, it will increase gradually over time, as more and more people demand this idea, so it will be the most viable option... but you can't always recharge at home, you will need recharge stations which will be operated by capitalists who are in business to make a profit. I would imagine, those people would be pretty much the same people as who are now selling us gasoline, don't you guess?

Don't get me wrong, I like the Tesla, and I think they have a niche market and a place in the future. For metro dwellers and local commuters, this is an awesome thing, although I wonder what kind of range the Tesla gets in a typical LA rush hour situation? This is just not the end-all-be-all solution you wish it were.

Of course you'll have to pay for the recharge. It's going to be expensive to put all of that energy into an electric car. It's energy, it doesn't magically become something different and free because it comes out of the wall. Nobodies going to do it for free.

But power plants are way more efficient than internal combustion engines, so it will be cheaper regardless.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

unfortunately true....

It's a luxury car. Of course it costs that much.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

By establishing the fact that you can't explain what makes the subject of your thread "astounding" or "exciting"?

You did not establish that fact. I said I can, but choose not to do so.

If this were actually a discussion about the Tesla with someone who is interested, I would enjoy explaining why I find it astounding and exciting.

But since we have established the fact that you are far more interested in discussing me in unfavorable ways, than discussing the topic, I will simply decline your repeated request.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

You did not establish that fact. I said I can, but choose not to do so.

So you say.

Didn't you also claim not to be Solitary?

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

So you say.

Didn't you also claim not to be Solitary?

Didn't you refuse to answer the question about whether or not you can afford a Tesla? So, by your logic, it is the same as saying you cannot afford the car?

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Of course you'll have to pay for the recharge. It's going to be expensive to put all of that energy into an electric car. It's energy, it doesn't magically become something different and free because it comes out of the wall. Nobodies going to do it for free.

But power plants are way more efficient than internal combustion engines, so it will be cheaper regardless.

Good point. Many places, especially in the south, are served by hydroelectric power plants. And the efficiency of the Tesla (and most electrics) is far better than the internal combustion engine.

 

[Damocles]

I'd save about $6,000 per year simply going back and forth to work in a car that doesn't use any gasoline... However, is it tough enough to drive on the back roads where roads aren't exactly smooth?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

That's just not the case. The Tesla is capable of sustained 250-300 mile cruising.

Isn't 300 miles like 5-6 hours? I could drive from Mississippi to Detroit with maybe 3-4 recharges. That's across the entire fucking country. I would likely stay the night at a hotel rather than driving such an insane distance in one go, so that'd be one free recharge regardless. This is not a significant burden.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

I'd save about $6,000 per year simply going back and forth to work in a car that doesn't use any gasoline... However, is it tough enough to drive on the back roads where roads aren't exactly smooth?

That is an issue that the electric car people will have to solve. Many of us need a more rugged vehicle than they are showing now.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Good point. Many places, especially in the south, are served by hydroelectric power plants. And the efficiency of the Tesla (and most electrics) is far better than the internal combustion engine.

It's basically down to the difference between turbines and internal combustion engines. Cars are forced to use ICE's, just because of their size. There were some experiments with putting small turbines in cars, but there were many reasons that never worked out. However, power plants are free to use large, extremely efficient turbines, utilizing the most efficient possible technologies no matter what the size, and electric cars can tap into that with only a small amount of waste (if I am to believe the figures you guys are giving out, ~10%).

If you are concerned about global warming, this reduces emissions significantly even if the plant in your area burns fossil fuels. If you are concerned about national security, we can use energy sources like hydro that are contained inside of America, and America also has some of the largest coal reserves in the entire world, so our transportation infrastructure would no longer be subject to the whims and good graces of the middle east and downright enemies like Venezuala. That alone justifies society at large favoring this sort of technology. If you are just a cynical fuck and truly don't give a shit about any of this, then this saved energy does obviously represent a large saving to you.