Tesla Model S launched! Finally we see what the future of electric cars can be.

tinfoil said:
because real world isn't the perfectly flat terrain implicit in the calculations presented. Too bad you are so inept at math that you can not figure out how hills and turns would cause drag not accounted for in the calculation.

LOL why?
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You're an idiot. I was asking Rootbeer why he was badmouthing electric cars.
 
\\()// said:
Thanks. I looked for some here:


http://www.justplainpolitics.com/archive/index.php/t-27505.html?


WinterBorn 08-01-2010, 10:21 PM

Doesn't the Nissan electric go farther for $10k less?"



WinterBorn 08-02-2010, 07:38 AM

The Nissan LEAF runs around $26k. Looks like the japanese are gonna win this round as well.




WinterBorn 08-02-2010, 07:57 AM

Not even, the minimal distances you can get preclude its use to any except those people who never leave a city. The Volt will get me any distance. Make it a pick up truck that can pull something and you might get me to buy one.

The LEAF will run 100 miles on a single charge (less if running the heater or a/c). That would take care of the majority of drivers in the USA.

The average person only drives around 12k miles per year. Even assuming they park all weekend, that is still less than 50 miles per day.




WinterBorn 08-02-2010, 08:26 AM

I don't have time to charge up, seriously. Who has several hours to wait when it takes less than a minute to fill up their car otherwise? The reality is these are still just a rich man's toy, they'd never be useful as the sole transportation of a family. The Volt has more promise in that arena because you don't have to sit idle and wait for the car to charge up. However, the price makes it still a rich man's toy.

The Volt is still little more than a hybrid. The LEAF's cost being so much less would allow families to have a second gas guzzler for any trips over 50 miles.

The VOLT claims to be able to run 40 miles per day. But they have an onboard gasoline generator to get more miles.

Seems like, for millions of people, the LEAF would be a great option. Especially since it is significantly less expensive than the Volt.




WinterBorn 08-02-2010, 01:47 PM

Read the thread. I already said the Volt would be cool, but its price makes it useless except to rich people. SM and others are defending the usefulness of the fully electronic 100 mile ranged vehicle built by Mazda or Nissan or some other company... A $26K toy that can only get you 100 miles round-trip.

I still disagree with your assessment, Damo. It may not be the savior of the poor, but it will hardly be exclusively a rich person toy either.

Most pontoon boats and good bass boats cost as much as the Nissan LEAF, and they are certainly not reserved for rich people. Granted, the people buying them are rarely poor.






Looks as though your position has evolved in exciting and astounding ways.
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And? Is there an actual point here?

I mean, other than the fact that you will dredge up 2 year old posts in an attempt to troll.
 
Rune said:
You're an idiot. I was asking Rootbeer why he was badmouthing electric cars.
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Expressing doubts about the Tesla company, it's CEO and the cars it makes isn't "badmouthing electric cars", is it?
 
WinterBorn said:
If you have a point, then make it. You have been dancing around trying to harrass me for most of the day. If you have a relevant contribution to make then do so.
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So you no longer feel that the Japanese are gonna win this round as well, or that the Nissan Leaf goes farther for less?
 
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So you no longer feel that the Japanese are gonna win this round as well, or that the Nissan Leaf goes farther for less?
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The discussion was about the Volt and the LEAF. Was anything I said wrong in that regard?

And since the thread you are quoting is 2 years old, and I referred to the Tesla as "new and exciting", perhaps there have been some advances in that time.

The Tesla's range is 2.5x to 3x what was discussed in the old thread. Perhaps this is part of that "exciting" thing I mentioned?

Is there an actual contradiction in what I said? Or are you still just fishing?
 
WinterBorn said:
My discussion with Rootbeer are as productive as your constant whines about him creating threads and your perpetual feud with Oncie.
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constant whines? what?

so you admit your discussions with legion are fruitless, just like my feud with onceler. makes sense.

troll on then.
 
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WinterBorn said:
The Tesla's range is 2.5x to 3x what was discussed in the old thread. Perhaps this is part of that "exciting" thing I mentioned?
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At last.

So nowadays you have time to charge up, seriously, and can wait several hours when it takes less than a minute to fill up your car otherwise?

I guess the reality isn't that these are still just a rich man's toy anymore.
 
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At last.

So nowadays you have time to charge up, seriously, and can wait several hours when it takes less than a minute to fill up your car otherwise?

I guess the reality isn't that these are still just a rich man's toy anymore.
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I guess you didn't pay attention to what I said about buying one. And I guess you also didn't notice the discussion about getting half a charge in 30 mins?

The Tesla is certainly more practical, imo. But it is still in a luxury sedan market. So it is not cheap transportation for the masses.
 
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