Are Americans dumb?

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Retiring congressman Gary Ackerman thinks so -- is he right?

By Alex Seitz-Wald

In an exit interview with Bloomberg Businessweek published yesterday, retiring New York Democratic Rep. Gary Ackerman griped about the state of Congress today. Beyond blaming it on the two-party system or the decline of objective journalism or the broken campaign finance system, Ackerman blamed you — the public.

“It used to be you had real friends on the other side of the aisle. It’s not like that anymore. Society has changed. The public is to blame as well. I think the people have gotten dumber. I don’t know that I would’ve said that out loud [prior to] my announcement that I was going to be leaving. [Laughter] But I think that’s true,” Ackerman said.

The intelligence of the electorate is certainly a common debate among both liberals and conservatives, though perhaps one rarely articulated by members of Congress, but is it true? First of all, let’s assume Ackerman means ignorant, rather than stupid, implying people just lack knowledge, not capacity to understand. There’s no question that the electorate is ignorant about a lot of the minutiae of politics (And why shouldn’t we be? We’re busy having jobs and lives), but have we become “dumber” than we used to be?

We turned to Michael Delli Carpini and Scott Keeter, who wrote the book on this subject: “What Americans Know About Politics and Why It Matters.” Carpini is now the dean of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and Keeter directs survey research at the Pew Research Center.

Their book came out in 1997. Has anything changed? “I don’t think there is any evidence that the public is dumber now than in the past,” Keeter told Salon.

“It’s actually quite difficult to gauge this, given that many of the facts people need to understand current politics are constantly changing as new issues and personalities emerge. Still, efforts to measure changes in knowledge over time, such as those that Michael and I undertook in the 1980s and 1990s, and a more recent study we did here at the Pew Research Center, have found relatively little change.”


Arthur Lupia, a political scientist at the University of Michigan who also has done research in this area, agreed. “I doubt that Ackerman can find credible evidence to support his claim,” he told Salon. In fact, Lupia noted that, thanks to the Internet and the proliferation of cable news, there is actually far more information available to people today than there ever was in the past: “In the aggregate, today’s citizens convey and use much more information about politics than was possible for any previous generation.”

The problem with this, the scholars said, is that it allows people to access only the information they’re interested in. So while we know more things, we all don’t know about the same things. “I think that it would be more accurate to say that some people are much more informed than was possible in the past, and that, for others, it has become easier to become informed by ignoring points of view with which one does not agree,” Lupia said.

“From the 1940s through the 1980s, all Americans were exposed to a relatively common point of view when watching news. With changing economies of scale in news production (manifest in the emergence of cable and then the Internet), more specialized and partisan news outlets could survive and cultivate loyal audiences,” he noted.

Keeter added that one could argue that the fact that our information level has remained constant actually represents a decline, given all the new information available. There’s also a big and potentially growing information gap. “You can interpret the results from either the half-full or half-empty perspective,” Keeter said. “Our most recent effort in this area shows that most people have a pretty good sense of the relative positions of the two political parties on major issues, but many don’t … There are very sizable differences between the better-educated and the less-educated in this kind of knowledge, suggesting that a lot of people who aren’t well educated may have trouble identifying which political [party] is the best fit for their own personal values and views,” he explained.

Incidentally, Vanderbilt political scientist Larry Bartels tried to model what a fully informed electorate would look like in 1996. In the alternate universe, he found that, “on average, Democrats do almost 2 percentage points better and incumbents do almost 5 percentage points better than they would if all voters in presidential elections were, in fact, fully informed.”
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I only read the first 3 words of your post and you are absolute undeniable proof that is true....
 
The dumbing of America began when the uneducated frustrated started believing the words of disillusioned pretty people who preyed upon their lack of intelligence in order to feed their own egos.

Think Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.
 
There is great irony in a guy who has trolled message boards for over a decade posting this article.
 
The dumbing of America began when the uneducated frustrated started believing the words of disillusioned pretty people who preyed upon their lack of intelligence in order to feed their own egos.

Think Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.


Really ?.....I think Clinton and Obama
 
Unfortunately many Americans are not dumb. They are loud, strident, violent (in thought at least). They are self opinionated, they whoop and holler at the sight of a television set and they all think they are mickey mouse.
Dumb America would improve the total envitonment for the rest of us.
 
The dumbing of America began when the uneducated frustrated started believing the words of disillusioned pretty people who preyed upon their lack of intelligence in order to feed their own egos.

Think Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.
I'm thinking Barack Obama and the Communist Shills.
 
there are idiots in every culture, on every continent on every world in the universe. saying that americans are dumb is like saying the sun gives light. no shit sherlock.
 
Are Americans dumb?

Well this November we will elect either Obama or Rmoney as our president.
Yep I would say not too bright.
 
Are Americans dumb?

Well this November we will elect either Obama or Rmoney as our president.
Yep I would say not too bright.

It gets even deeper.

They got away with doing 9/11 .. right in front of our faces.

Proof positive that they could tell Americans ANYTHING.
 
You don't think liar.


Both of them are PROVEN liars (one to perjury, the other by his written words and more).....thats an undeniable fact.....a simple google search will reveal that to those still to the fact....
 
It gets even deeper.

They got away with doing 9/11 .. right in front of our faces.

Proof positive that they could tell Americans ANYTHING.



Who is 'they'....???

Sorry BAC.....maybe tagging you with the label 'birther' is being way to kind after this ridiculous post and what you're implying....

You're nearing membership in the AssWipe and Onceler and PRune club.....
 
Can you define "they"? Give specifics, especially names.

I don't have names .. but the specifics are called SCIENCE.

There is no science that supports the fairy-tale of 9/11.

Given the fairy-tale, I would be looking for Harry Potter or some evil wizards to be behind the tragedy .. given that the culprits would have to have the ability to bend science and make steel-frame structures fall straight down uniformly from fire .. which of course is scientifically impossible.

They would have to be able to make falling objects actually speed up when encountering equal or greater mass instead of slowing down as dictated by science and the Law of Falling Objects/Bodies.

Either evil wizards did 9/11 .. or what Americans have been told is every bit the lie that it appears to science to be.

"If this government had done nothing but allow normal procedures to happen, the towers would still be standing in New York and thousands of Americans would still be alive." -- Lt. Col, Robert Bowman, USAF ret. Former Director of the Star Wars program, decorated combat pilot with over 100 combat missons flown. Ph.D in Nuclear Engineering and Aeronautics, served as the Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology.

You think he might have a good idea of how airplanes fly?
 
Who is 'they'....???

Sorry BAC.....maybe tagging you with the label 'birther' is being way to kind after this ridiculous post and what you're implying....

You're nearing membership in the AssWipe and Onceler and PRune club.....

With all due respect good brother, I don't give a damn about what "membership" people who don't know science assign to me. Why would I give a damn?

It's 3rd grade science .. and I'm supposed to give a damn about what people who don't know 3rd grade science have to say?

:0)
 
I don't have names .. but the specifics are called SCIENCE.

There is no science that supports the fairy-tale of 9/11.

Given the fairy-tale, I would be looking for Harry Potter or some evil wizards to be behind the tragedy .. given that the culprits would have to have the ability to bend science and make steel-frame structures fall straight down uniformly from fire .. which of course is scientifically impossible.

They would have to be able to make falling objects actually speed up when encountering equal or greater mass instead of slowing down as dictated by science and the Law of Falling Objects/Bodies.

Maybe 3rd grade is harder now, but, it seems to me that as each floor collapses, the weight would increase and the increased mass would overcome resistance to the collapse as each floor went...thus speeding up as the building crashed

Either evil wizards did 9/11 .. or what Americans have been told is every bit the lie that it appears to science to be.

"If this government had done nothing but allow normal procedures to happen, the towers would still be standing in New York and thousands of Americans would still be alive." -- Lt. Col, Robert Bowman, USAF ret. Former Director of the Star Wars program, decorated combat pilot with over 100 combat missons flown. Ph.D in Nuclear Engineering and Aeronautics, served as the Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology.

You think he might have a good idea of how airplanes fly?


I think we all have a good idea and can explain how airplanes fly......whats your point ?

We all saw with our eyes the airplanes fly into the WTC....and thousands of people in the streets of NY saw this terrorists act first hand and in color....

Do you think Bush and Cheney climbed into the bowels of the WTC and set up an controlled explosion of both buildings and of course Build. 7.....then for
some reason set it all in motion for fun....
I don't know how you explain the 19 Muslims on the planes and the attack on the Pentagon.....
Then you gotta believe that Bush and Cheney are the shrewdest men in the world to pull it off or that hundreds of others involved in the conspiracy are
so damn good at keeping secrets, even Obama can't figure it out....
 
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