Egyptian Democracy!

[Billy the Great Khan]

We do have this capability, I have this from a reliable source who has been in Special Ops, working with it himself.

Oh really? Because your 'friend' is full of shit.

I was an ammo tech Dixie. I know every single bomb, bullet, grenade, shell, missile, or other armament in the entire United States military. And no such item shows up.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You haven't seen it yet because there was nothing we could do to stop what was happening in Egypt. However, should the Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian people choose to form closer ties to Iran, or in any way oppose Israel's God-given right to slaughter the Palestinains at will .. then you'll see what America does to nations that choose self-determination rather than subordination.

If Israel had a "God-given right to slaughter the Palestinains at will"; don't you think that there would be no more Palestinains, after all this time?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Question: Do you know what a negative vote is? It's one of the ways they manipulate your elections. You do recognize that 80% of the US votes on proprietary software, don't you .. software formerly owned by two brothers .. and whose voting machine companies have been found guilty of fraud in courts of law .. and whose systems have been successfully hacked and PROVEN to be DESIGNED for fraud?

Didn't know that?

The fact that you argue that Venezuela doesn't have more integrity in their elections demonstrates that this is a subject that you have not studied .. no offense intended of course brother.

Additionally, we have never been a friend of Venezuela .. because it is socialist .. thus it puts the human condition before profit .. which is truly anti-american.

Under Chavez, the human condition of the Venezuelan people has improved exponentially.

First you make the claim of:

...Venezuela has a democracy...

Then you claim it is a socialsit government.
The two are only the same when you have 3 wolves and 1 sheep voting what supper is going to be.

If you want to be a socialist, that's your choice; but I never thought you would be a conspiracy nut as well.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Oh really? Because your 'friend' is full of shit.

I was an ammo tech Dixie. I know every single bomb, bullet, grenade, shell, missile, or other armament in the entire United States military. And no such item shows up.

Do these not exist?

http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb3.htm

 

[blackascoal]

Vietnam, I agree, to a degree..... war was lost on the streets of LA, Frisco, NY city and everywhere the protesters gathered.....and in Washington DC by inept leaders....fools (lefties)that should not have gotten us into the conflict in the first place if they didn't have the balls to win by leaving the country in the same shape we left Berlin and Dresden...ruins.

Iraq war was won in 3 weeks and though we suffered many deaths by terrorists during the occupation, we left that country on our own terms....Obamas terms....

And the future is still the future.....we shall see what happens when it happens in Afghanistan, etc.....

I imagine we'll tire of the whole thing and leave the barbarians to kill each other and regroup to attack the US again in the future.....considering our leadership as it is...

We are not there as occupiers but by agreement with the government and will leave when they demand we leave......you can call it 'kicked out' if you must.

Much respect for your brother as you alraedy know .. but you are wrong on this on every level.

We were in Iraq as occupiers .. built the biggest embassy in the world there because we had no intentions of ever leaving. The Iraqis never invited us to invade their country and mass-murder countless of their INNOCENT citizens. The real truth is that we were DUPED into invading Iraq by Iran and its double-agent Chalabi.

Right up to the "kick your ass out date" .. Obama was twisting the arms of the Iraqis to allow us to stay there longer. Iran is now all over the Iraqi government .. thanks to the stupid cowboys they tricked into getting rid of Saddam.

It gets stupider.

We then lynched Saddam for one of his lesser crimes because we could not allow him to go on trial for his greatest crime of using chemical weapons .. because he got them from us.

We "won" the war in 3 weeks? :0) No we didn't. We won the battle, the war was still ongoing .. and it wasn't "terrorists" that we were fighting .. its what we would otherwise call "patriots" who were fighting to expel invaders from their land.

It isn't necessarily that Americans are dumb .. but more than we are weak as doodoo and easily controlled.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Do these not exist?

http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb3.htm

Not in any capacity beyond possibly experimental.

 

[blackascoal]

First you make the claim of:
QUOTE=blackascoal;1024347]...Venezuela has a democracy..
Then you claim it is a socialsit government.
The two are only the same when you have 3 wolves and 1 sheep voting what supper is going to be.

If you want to be a socialist, that's your choice; but I never thought you would be a conspiracy nut as well.

Venezuela has a democracy. It doesn't matter if you believe it.

You have no idea what socialism is obviously. I'm a socialist. I believe in democracy.

"Conspiracy nut" is the language of children.

Demonstrate the fallacy of what I believe. That's the language of adults and critical thinkers.

 

[apple0154]

Are people just used to Dixie being this insane?

Yes

I'm kind of amazed that his comments aren't getting a bit more play, but it could just be Dixie fatigue....

Some of us have given up. On one thread he refused to click on links that showed evidence of what was being discussed claiming by clicking on it he would be supporting them financially. It gets to the point where folks say, "What's the use?"

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Venezuela has a democracy. It doesn't matter if you believe it.

You have no idea what socialism is obviously. I'm a socialist. I believe in democracy.

"Conspiracy nut" is the language of children.

Demonstrate the fallacy of what I believe. That's the language of adults and critical thinkers.

Technically nations such as Iran and China are democratic as well. That you have no real choice in who you vote for is another matter.

But, to say that socialism does not allow for democracy is a plain falsity. One is a economic system, the other a means of political representation.

 

[blackascoal]

"The welfare of your fellow citizens is something we should all be concerned about .. especially the families of the soldiers that put more on the line for this nation than any of us. They should get whatever assistance they require to be whole."


Then you must be very very happy that our vets. are getting the food stamp help they need......I guess I mis-understood your concern...
Maybe we can erect some good soup kitchens with next tables so they can bring their wives and children.....

You'll pardon me brother if I find it difficult to make light of the pain the families of our soldiers are going through.

They are killing themselves at alarming and record-breaking levels.

 

[blackascoal]

Technically nations such as Iran and China are democratic as well. That you have no real choice in who you vote for is another matter.

But, to say that socialism does not allow for democracy is a plain falsity. One is a economic system, the other a means of political representation.

Well said.

You must be from Detroit. :0)

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

You'll pardon me brother if I find it difficult to make light of the pain the families of our soldiers are going through.

They are killing themselves at alarming and record-breaking levels.

Yes, but recent studies show it has nothing to do with deployment and more to do with general military life.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Well said.

You must be from Detroit. :0)

I'm Capt Billy, if you don't remember.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

:0) I'm not even sure what planet you're on.

WE got our asses kicked the fuk out of Vietnam. How in the Hell do you challenge that?

Here's a reminder ..

It's called our Saigon Moment .. and guess what? Almost 60,000 Americans died in that useless war .. that we lost.

We got our asses kicked out of Iraq .. and the Iraqis set the terms and the date for our Baghdad Moment .. which Obama followed to the letter .. then got credit for "ending" the war. :0) .. and the spoils went to the Chinese .. and the biggest winner of our idiotic misadventure was IRAN.

Peekaboo .. don't look now .. but we are losing the war in the stone-age nation of Afghanistan. Been there longer than any American war .. and we're losing.

The Vietnamese used make-shift weapons made out of sugar-cane .. the Iraqis used IED's .. and I think the Afghanis are using muskets. :0) Yet we lose.

Too many John Wayne movies brother. :0)

We lost that fucking war; because the fucking politicians decided that they know best how to fight it.
You don't win wars, by dying to advance, then after winning retreat, and then going back to repeat the situation.
That and the fucking peaceniks or have you forgotten that the North Vietnamese were ready to pack it in, until they saw the so called American protestors spitting on returning military personel?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Venezuela has a democracy. It doesn't matter if you believe it.

You have no idea what socialism is obviously. I'm a socialist. I believe in democracy.

"Conspiracy nut" is the language of children.

Demonstrate the fallacy of what I believe. That's the language of adults and critical thinkers.

I see now.
It's only true, if you're the one who states it.
How easy that is for you.

 

[blackascoal]

Yes, but recent studies show it has nothing to do with deployment and more to do with general military life.

I disagree. It has everything to do with rapid deployment and disconnection from their families. I know because I get to talk to lots of them.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

I disagree. It has everything to do with rapid deployment and disconnection from their families. I know because I get to talk to lots of them.

I'm telling you what studies show. Disconnection from family is common both stateside and overseas. Add in the rampancy for drinking, the shitty pay and terrible hours, the often completely uncarring chain of command, incredible physical stress, and generally young age of all participants, and it's easy to see why suicide is high.

And don't even get me started on the marriage aspect.

 

[blackascoal]

I see now.
It's only true, if you're the one who states it.
How easy that is for you.

There is such a thing as critical thinking. It requires knowing what you're talking about.

I am a socialist. I believe in democracy.

Obviously you don't know what you're talking about.

Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

 

[blackascoal]

I'm telling you what studies show. Disconnection from family is common both stateside and overseas. Add in the rampancy for drinking, the shitty pay and terrible hours, the often completely uncarring chain of command, incredible physical stress, and generally young age of all participants, and it's easy to see why suicide is high.

And don't even get me started on the marriage aspect.

Pentagon reports 154 suicides in first 155 days of 2012
Suicide rate is highest in 10 years of war; upswing catches some officials by surprise

Suicides are surging among America's troops, averaging nearly one a day this year — the fastest pace in the nation's decade of war

The 154 suicides for active-duty troops in the first 155 days of the year far outdistance the U.S. forces killed in action in Afghanistan — about 50 percent more — according to Pentagon statistics obtained by The Associated Press.

The numbers reflect a military burdened with wartime demands from Iraq and Afghanistan that have taken a greater toll than foreseen a decade ago. The military also is struggling with increased sexual assaults, alcohol abuse, domestic violence and other misbehavior.

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The reasons for the increase are not fully understood. Among explanations, studies have pointed to combat exposure, post-traumatic stress, misuse of prescription medications and personal financial problems. Army data suggest soldiers with multiple combat tours are at greater risk of committing suicide, although a substantial proportion of Army suicides are committed by soldiers who never deployed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47726225/ns/us_news/t/pentagon-reports-suicides-first-days/

I've maintained a relationship with several soldiers that I helped during my days in the congressional office. I'm relating what they tell me.

Additionally, that's my daughter in my avatar. This is not a subject that I'm detached from. I have my own worries about her mental state of being and I listen to her very closely. She's E-7 with lots of stories to tell.

I don't want to debate the why of why our soldiers are suffering. There are a myriad of reasons why they suffer. I want to debate how we can help them beyond the meme of "I support the troops."

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Pentagon reports 154 suicides in first 155 days of 2012
Suicide rate is highest in 10 years of war; upswing catches some officials by surprise

Suicides are surging among America's troops, averaging nearly one a day this year — the fastest pace in the nation's decade of war

The 154 suicides for active-duty troops in the first 155 days of the year far outdistance the U.S. forces killed in action in Afghanistan — about 50 percent more — according to Pentagon statistics obtained by The Associated Press.

The numbers reflect a military burdened with wartime demands from Iraq and Afghanistan that have taken a greater toll than foreseen a decade ago. The military also is struggling with increased sexual assaults, alcohol abuse, domestic violence and other misbehavior.

---

The reasons for the increase are not fully understood. Among explanations, studies have pointed to combat exposure, post-traumatic stress, misuse of prescription medications and personal financial problems. Army data suggest soldiers with multiple combat tours are at greater risk of committing suicide, although a substantial proportion of Army suicides are committed by soldiers who never deployed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47726225/ns/us_news/t/pentagon-reports-suicides-first-days/

I've maintained a relationship with several soldiers that I helped during my days in the congressional office. I'm relating what they tell me.

Additionally, that's my daughter in my avatar. This is not a subject that I'm detached from. I have my own worries about her mental state of being and I listen to her very closely. She's E-7 with lots of stories to tell.

I don't want to debate the why of why our soldiers are suffering. There are a myriad of reasons why they suffer. I want to debate how we can help them beyond the meme of "I support the troops."

Fair enough, and congrats on your daughter. E-7 isn't easy.