How does it feel to now be a taxpayer?

Sorry, but this information was compiled BEFORE the ruling from SCOTUS. First off, everywhere you mentioned Medicare, you can erase those out... they can't apply, according to SCOTUS. You can't pay for this with Medicare funds. This would include increasing Medicare taxes... because again, you can't use those funds if they are collected for Medicare. You see, before the SCOTUS ruling, the proponents of Obamacare assumed they could... but the court ruled they can't. So now, all those hundreds of billions will have to come from someplace else. Second... erase all all the regulatory burdens on manufacturers and corporations, because again.. it was presumed the commerce clause would allow the Feds to do this, and the court found you can't apply the commerce clause.

All in all, this guts the financing of Obamacare. You will have to go back to Congress and re-argue for a MASSIVE tax increase to fund it. Now maybe if it were still 2008, and you had the Doe-eyed idiot and her kangaroo House running around changing rules and manipulating votes to get barely enough to pass? But that's not going to be what you have in January 2013. The House will be Republican, and may very well have a supermajority. The Senate might be Republican too, and the presidency. I just don't think passing a massive tax increase to keep Obamacare floating, is going to be on the top of their priority list, but we'll see!

What you fail to understand is Medicare can be changed and, thus, some of the financing will go to ObamaCare. Let's say Medicare provides for a doctor's visit. Medicare is changed so that it doesn't provide for a doctor's visit, however, Obamacare would provide for a doctor's visit. Rather than adding more people to Medicare some of the benefits of Medicare would be added to ObamaCare. It would be one step on the way to a one payer/universal system.

Then we come to savings. It has been noticed some people in the 60 - 64 year age group delay medical care waiting until they reach 65 and are covered by Medicare. Not only do their illnesses progress but as they get older they take longer to heal. If they were treated as soon as their illness/disability arose the number of new patients at 65 would substantially decrease. One of the major changes ObamaCare made is insurance companies have to cover check-ups. A few hundred dollars spent now will save thousands in the future. Diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease....if discovered early a large number of afflicted can control the progress of the disease. An inexpensive solution to a major problem.

ObamaCare....it's the right thing to do. :)
 
So basically the intent all along was to TAKE from some and give to others; ie: tax.

who pays for roads?
who pays for schools?
who pays for the chairs and desks,books and paper in those schools.
who pays for the police?
who was subsidized so you could eat your cereal or drink your milk this morning



I mean seriously dude, there are just some things a civilized country has that everyone pays for.. Yes, they're 'taking' my money to educate your family.. they're taking your money to pave my road.. Not a single person in this country 'made it' on their own.. not a single business thrives and succeeds 'on their own'.. every single aspect of ones success in this country is because of what this country offers over another.. by the grace of God you were born here and not Darfur.. Apple, opened shop here, not Bogota..

Every successful person has gotten where they are because of the vaccinations the gov't gave them as a child so they didn't get sick and die or become handicapped some way.. guess what, they 'took' from someone else and 'gave' to all for the benefit of all..and every company's shares in that benefit by having 'non-infected' workers who can make/sell their product..

they got their success because there is a system of schools that the gov't pays for and demands certain academic levels to be taught to all those in the school, instead of not getting any education at all because there happens to be a genocide happening in their town.

Their bodies were fed safe and healthy food and clean water so that it could grow strong and smart and attain their level of achievement...instead of dipping it out of the local stream where who knows what is breeding.

The mail was delivered so people and business could sell and ship their product, they're banks were insured so they're money would be safe.. they're products were copyright for they're protection for thieves who would copy their idea for themselves..where is the tea party's bitching and whining 'mine is mine, unless it's medicare, then gov't keep your hands off'

Jesus, part of being a country.. THIS country is we protect our own so they can succeed.. and that means we protect everyone.. Our soldiers didn't die protecting just the rich.. they protected every welfare mother and lazy trailer-parker in his dirty wife-beater sucking off the gov't tit as well.. Our mail system deliveries to Donald Trump as well as Mrs. Food stamp queen. Our fire dept protect the Koch Brothers and the meth-slingers.

you are a part of a country that uses everyone to look out for everyone.. the fact that you can ignorantly whine about 'taking' from some to give healthcare to others, was bought and paid for by someone else's blood, sweat and hardwork..and they did it so we could all have certain benefits for living the United States of America... quit aping Hannity and Beck's insanity and look around.. no one in this country is an island onto themselves.. no one 'makes' it without 'taking' from everyone..we're all in it together.
 
who pays for roads?
who pays for schools?
who pays for the chairs and desks,books and paper in those schools.
who pays for the police?
who was subsidized so you could eat your cereal or drink your milk this morning



I mean seriously dude, there are just some things a civilized country has that everyone pays for.. Yes, they're 'taking' my money to educate your family.. they're taking your money to pave my road.. Not a single person in this country 'made it' on their own.. not a single business thrives and succeeds 'on their own'.. every single aspect of ones success in this country is because of what this country offers over another.. by the grace of God you were born here and not Darfur.. Apple, opened shop here, not Bogota..

Every successful person has gotten where they are because of the vaccinations the gov't gave them as a child so they didn't get sick and die or become handicapped some way.. guess what, they 'took' from someone else and 'gave' to all for the benefit of all..and every company's shares in that benefit by having 'non-infected' workers who can make/sell their product..

they got their success because there is a system of schools that the gov't pays for and demands certain academic levels to be taught to all those in the school, instead of not getting any education at all because there happens to be a genocide happening in their town.

Their bodies were fed safe and healthy food and clean water so that it could grow strong and smart and attain their level of achievement...instead of dipping it out of the local stream where who knows what is breeding.

The mail was delivered so people and business could sell and ship their product, they're banks were insured so they're money would be safe.. they're products were copyright for they're protection for thieves who would copy their idea for themselves..where is the tea party's bitching and whining 'mine is mine, unless it's medicare, then gov't keep your hands off'

Jesus, part of being a country.. THIS country is we protect our own so they can succeed.. and that means we protect everyone.. Our soldiers didn't die protecting just the rich.. they protected every welfare mother and lazy trailer-parker in his dirty wife-beater sucking off the gov't tit as well.. Our mail system deliveries to Donald Trump as well as Mrs. Food stamp queen. Our fire dept protect the Koch Brothers and the meth-slingers.

you are a part of a country that uses everyone to look out for everyone.. the fact that you can ignorantly whine about 'taking' from some to give healthcare to others, was bought and paid for by someone else's blood, sweat and hardwork..and they did it so we could all have certain benefits for living the United States of America... quit aping Hannity and Beck's insanity and look around.. no one in this country is an island onto themselves.. no one 'makes' it without 'taking' from everyone..we're all in it together.

Perhaps it's a good time to repost this.

Joe Republican

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
 
who pays for roads?
who pays for schools?
who pays for the chairs and desks,books and paper in those schools.
who pays for the police?
who was subsidized so you could eat your cereal or drink your milk this morning



I mean seriously dude, there are just some things a civilized country has that everyone pays for.. Yes, they're 'taking' my money to educate your family.. they're taking your money to pave my road.. Not a single person in this country 'made it' on their own.. not a single business thrives and succeeds 'on their own'.. every single aspect of ones success in this country is because of what this country offers over another.. by the grace of God you were born here and not Darfur.. Apple, opened shop here, not Bogota..

Every successful person has gotten where they are because of the vaccinations the gov't gave them as a child so they didn't get sick and die or become handicapped some way.. guess what, they 'took' from someone else and 'gave' to all for the benefit of all..and every company's shares in that benefit by having 'non-infected' workers who can make/sell their product..

they got their success because there is a system of schools that the gov't pays for and demands certain academic levels to be taught to all those in the school, instead of not getting any education at all because there happens to be a genocide happening in their town.

Their bodies were fed safe and healthy food and clean water so that it could grow strong and smart and attain their level of achievement...instead of dipping it out of the local stream where who knows what is breeding.

The mail was delivered so people and business could sell and ship their product, they're banks were insured so they're money would be safe.. they're products were copyright for they're protection for thieves who would copy their idea for themselves..where is the tea party's bitching and whining 'mine is mine, unless it's medicare, then gov't keep your hands off'

Jesus, part of being a country.. THIS country is we protect our own so they can succeed.. and that means we protect everyone.. Our soldiers didn't die protecting just the rich.. they protected every welfare mother and lazy trailer-parker in his dirty wife-beater sucking off the gov't tit as well.. Our mail system deliveries to Donald Trump as well as Mrs. Food stamp queen. Our fire dept protect the Koch Brothers and the meth-slingers.

you are a part of a country that uses everyone to look out for everyone.. the fact that you can ignorantly whine about 'taking' from some to give healthcare to others, was bought and paid for by someone else's blood, sweat and hardwork..and they did it so we could all have certain benefits for living the United States of America... quit aping Hannity and Beck's insanity and look around.. no one in this country is an island onto themselves.. no one 'makes' it without 'taking' from everyone..we're all in it together.



Hear Hear!!

Well said!
 
Scott (and other governors) redirect Foreclosure Fraud funds:




Scott diverts public education funds.



Scott diverts more school funds.






Yes, it is, isn't it?



Would you kindly take your mouth off Hannity's dick? Here's the thing, Dicksee. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...romney-says-obamacare-adds-trillions-deficit/There's a new sheriff in town: Howey. I use sources and truth to bring out the idiocy of sheeple like you.





Actually, yes I have! I'm a disabled veteran. I get 100% of my healthcare from the VA, thankyouveryfuckingmuch. I'm also on Medicare, thankyouveryfuckingmuch.

Last year, I spent 10 days in the hospital. Between the two of them, I came out owing not one red cent. Tell that to your insurance company buddies.

Oh. And the VA? It's been recognized as the best care anywhere.


So...to quote my friend ekg..."Eat my shit!"

or something like that...

Facts for the neocon/teabagger set is like sunlight and garlic to a vampire....they avoid them at all costs!
 
who pays for roads?.....Obama's stimulus funding
who pays for schools?.....Obama's stimulus funding
who pays for the chairs and desks,books and paper in those schools......Obama's stimulus funding
who pays for the police?.....Obama's stimulus funding
who has subsidized you so you could eat your cereal or drink your milk this morning.....Obama's stimulus funding
 
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who pays for roads?
who pays for schools?
who pays for the chairs and desks,books and paper in those schools.
who pays for the police?
who was subsidized so you could eat your cereal or drink your milk this morning



I mean seriously dude, there are just some things a civilized country has that everyone pays for.. Yes, they're 'taking' my money to educate your family.. they're taking your money to pave my road.. Not a single person in this country 'made it' on their own.. not a single business thrives and succeeds 'on their own'.. every single aspect of ones success in this country is because of what this country offers over another.. by the grace of God you were born here and not Darfur.. Apple, opened shop here, not Bogota..

Every successful person has gotten where they are because of the vaccinations the gov't gave them as a child so they didn't get sick and die or become handicapped some way.. guess what, they 'took' from someone else and 'gave' to all for the benefit of all..and every company's shares in that benefit by having 'non-infected' workers who can make/sell their product..

they got their success because there is a system of schools that the gov't pays for and demands certain academic levels to be taught to all those in the school, instead of not getting any education at all because there happens to be a genocide happening in their town.

Their bodies were fed safe and healthy food and clean water so that it could grow strong and smart and attain their level of achievement...instead of dipping it out of the local stream where who knows what is breeding.

The mail was delivered so people and business could sell and ship their product, they're banks were insured so they're money would be safe.. they're products were copyright for they're protection for thieves who would copy their idea for themselves..where is the tea party's bitching and whining 'mine is mine, unless it's medicare, then gov't keep your hands off'

Jesus, part of being a country.. THIS country is we protect our own so they can succeed.. and that means we protect everyone.. Our soldiers didn't die protecting just the rich.. they protected every welfare mother and lazy trailer-parker in his dirty wife-beater sucking off the gov't tit as well.. Our mail system deliveries to Donald Trump as well as Mrs. Food stamp queen. Our fire dept protect the Koch Brothers and the meth-slingers.

you are a part of a country that uses everyone to look out for everyone.. the fact that you can ignorantly whine about 'taking' from some to give healthcare to others, was bought and paid for by someone else's blood, sweat and hardwork..and they did it so we could all have certain benefits for living the United States of America... quit aping Hannity and Beck's insanity and look around.. no one in this country is an island onto themselves.. no one 'makes' it without 'taking' from everyone..we're all in it together.

:good4u:
 
who pays for roads?
who pays for schools?
who pays for the chairs and desks,books and paper in those schools.
who pays for the police?
who was subsidized so you could eat your cereal or drink your milk this morning



I mean seriously dude, there are just some things a civilized country has that everyone pays for.. Yes, they're 'taking' my money to educate your family.. they're taking your money to pave my road.. Not a single person in this country 'made it' on their own.. not a single business thrives and succeeds 'on their own'.. every single aspect of ones success in this country is because of what this country offers over another.. by the grace of God you were born here and not Darfur.. Apple, opened shop here, not Bogota..

Every successful person has gotten where they are because of the vaccinations the gov't gave them as a child so they didn't get sick and die or become handicapped some way.. guess what, they 'took' from someone else and 'gave' to all for the benefit of all..and every company's shares in that benefit by having 'non-infected' workers who can make/sell their product..

they got their success because there is a system of schools that the gov't pays for and demands certain academic levels to be taught to all those in the school, instead of not getting any education at all because there happens to be a genocide happening in their town.

Their bodies were fed safe and healthy food and clean water so that it could grow strong and smart and attain their level of achievement...instead of dipping it out of the local stream where who knows what is breeding.

The mail was delivered so people and business could sell and ship their product, they're banks were insured so they're money would be safe.. they're products were copyright for they're protection for thieves who would copy their idea for themselves..where is the tea party's bitching and whining 'mine is mine, unless it's medicare, then gov't keep your hands off'

Jesus, part of being a country.. THIS country is we protect our own so they can succeed.. and that means we protect everyone.. Our soldiers didn't die protecting just the rich.. they protected every welfare mother and lazy trailer-parker in his dirty wife-beater sucking off the gov't tit as well.. Our mail system deliveries to Donald Trump as well as Mrs. Food stamp queen. Our fire dept protect the Koch Brothers and the meth-slingers.

you are a part of a country that uses everyone to look out for everyone.. the fact that you can ignorantly whine about 'taking' from some to give healthcare to others, was bought and paid for by someone else's blood, sweat and hardwork..and they did it so we could all have certain benefits for living the United States of America... quit aping Hannity and Beck's insanity and look around.. no one in this country is an island onto themselves.. no one 'makes' it without 'taking' from everyone..we're all in it together.

Glad to see you broke out your soap box and picked a corner to stand on, while ranting and raving; but we were talking about the lack of funding for Obama care.

Since you decided to lump everything into one basket; does this mean that you're in favor of Damo's comment of we should just pass a bill that everyone has to own a house?
 
What you fail to understand is Medicare can be changed and, thus, some of the financing will go to ObamaCare.

No it won't, because SCOTUS found that to be unconstitutional.

Let's say Medicare provides for a doctor's visit. Medicare is changed so that it doesn't provide for a doctor's visit, however, Obamacare would provide for a doctor's visit.

Can't do that according to the SCOTUS ruling. The money set aside for Medicare can't be used to fund this. Have you READ the ruling?

Rather than adding more people to Medicare some of the benefits of Medicare would be added to ObamaCare. It would be one step on the way to a one payer/universal system.

Again, the SCOTUS ruled Congress does not have the power under the commerce clause to do this. Sorry.

Then we come to savings. It has been noticed some people in the 60 - 64 year age group delay medical care waiting until they reach 65 and are covered by Medicare. Not only do their illnesses progress but as they get older they take longer to heal. If they were treated as soon as their illness/disability arose the number of new patients at 65 would substantially decrease.

Then they should go to any number of FREE health clinics in America, who can treat them at no cost, if they don't have the money. Problem solved!

One of the major changes ObamaCare made is insurance companies have to cover check-ups. A few hundred dollars spent now will save thousands in the future. Diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease....if discovered early a large number of afflicted can control the progress of the disease. An inexpensive solution to a major problem.

An even BETTER solution would be to have these people go to the local health clinic, which is free.

ObamaCare....it's the right thing to do. :)

Glad you think so.... Please keep repeating this until November!!
 
Amazing how neocon/teabagger flunkines are avoiding certain facts and replacing them with their supposition and conjecture in order to lock step with the GOP hysteria driven talking points as they react to LOSING a vital idealogical fight with the Obama administration after 3 years of obstruction.

Bottom line: if you are a small business and need assistance in providing health insurance to your employees, you can get TAX incentives from the gov't to cover that cost. If you are a family of four living on $30K, you can get gov't assistance to find a program that will fit your needs.

Again, the ONLY people who will have to pay a penalty tax will be those who are financially secure enough to pay their own medical needs or who are just resistant to the idea of paying for health insurance before they actually need it. The actual percentage of those people is what, 1 to 3%?

Poor people are still out in the cold to a large degree...but the whole "emergency room as primary health care" scenario will NOT be the monumental burden that it has been in the past. The system is NOT perfect, but it's a hell of an improvement from what we've been dealing with so far.

And since there's NOTHING to impede insurance companies from competing for your business, I fail to see why they would raise their rates beyond the COLA?

And the band played on.
 
I mean seriously dude, there are just some things a civilized country has that everyone pays for..

Is EVERYBODY going to pay for this? Or just what you deem to be "RICH" people? Because, if we are talking about something where each American is going to contribute, I have no problem with THAT idea.

No, seriously dude... what you want, is for people who make over a certain income, to have to pay for their insurance and the insurance of someone else too, so that a bunch of people don't have to pay anything. There is no country... heck, no place in our universe of reality, where things are FREE!
 
I must have missed it, in all of the "No/Yes" exchange.
Could you point me to the post, or even possibly explain where the funding is coming from?

Look it up. I've repeated it five or six times, ekg has repeated it two or three.

So where's the funding for Obama's bill?

Ask Congress. They funded it.


Facts for the neocon/teabagger set is like sunlight and garlic to a vampire....they avoid them at all costs!

der...Dicksee's same ol' same ol' jibberish reminds me of the drunken old man playing the Merle Haggard song over and over...and nobody listens.

Glad to see you broke out your soap box and picked a corner to stand on, while ranting and raving; but we were talking about the lack of funding for Obama care.

Since you decided to lump everything into one basket; does this mean that you're in favor of Damo's comment of we should just pass a bill that everyone has to own a house?

Just wait til she jumps on your stupid. You'll be wishing you could hide under a soapbox.

Then they should go to any number of FREE health clinics in America, who can treat them at no cost, if they don't have the money. Problem solved!

An even BETTER solution would be to have these people go to the local health clinic, which is free.

Who do you think PAYS for those "free" health clinics, Dicksee? You. Me. Everyone.

You seem to have a child's reasoning. Which doesn't surprise me.

There is no magical fairyland place with Dr. House and Marcus Welby tending to sick person who walk in and are treated gratis. Nothing in life is free, regardless how the republicans and teabaggers wish it were.

Those not covered by Medicare or Medicaid are covered by taxes. Yup. Taxes. Property taxes, special assessments, and so on.

Grow up, Peter Pan.
 
Look it up. I've repeated it five or six times, ekg has repeated it two or three.

I just figured asking you was easier, seeing as how this thread is now 334 posts long and I didn't have the time to slog through every page.

Ask Congress. They funded it.

No they didn't

Just wait til she jumps on your stupid. You'll be wishing you could hide under a soapbox.

Do I sense a romantic connection, between the two of you?
 
No it won't, because SCOTUS found that to be unconstitutional.

Huh? Congress can vote on Medicare and change it.

Can't do that according to the SCOTUS ruling. The money set aside for Medicare can't be used to fund this. Have you READ the ruling?

I'm not talking about the money already set aside. I'm talking about changing future tax money.

Again, the SCOTUS ruled Congress does not have the power under the commerce clause to do this. Sorry.

How did Medicare come about? Congress got together, wrote a medicare plan, voted on it and BINGO! Medicare. Now, Congress can vote on changing Medicare and Congress can vote on what what it wants ObamaCare to have. In other words Congress can change Medicare and ObamaCare by voting on it.

Then they should go to any number of FREE health clinics in America, who can treat them at no cost, if they don't have the money. Problem solved!

I suggest you watch this video starting at 2:00 to 4:00. Take the two minutes and watch it and understand what medical service is really like in the richest country in the world. Educate yourself. It will be easy to learn as it is accompanied by pictures. :)
 
I just figured asking you was easier, seeing as how this thread is now 334 posts long and I didn't have the time to slog through every page.



No they didn't



Do I sense a romantic connection, between the two of you?

Just go back a couple of pages.

ekg is a chick. She's joined here from my forum at my invitation. She will, trust me, rip your stupid to shreds.
 
Just go back a couple of pages.

When I get the time; because if the answer isn't that important to you, then I guess it's probably not that important.

ekg is a chick. She's joined here from my forum at my invitation. She will, trust me, rip your stupid to shreds.

What does that have to do with a romantic connection?

I noticed that you skipped right over the funding of Obama's HC.
 
Just go back a couple of pages.

ekg is a chick. She's joined here from my forum at my invitation. She will, trust me, rip your stupid to shreds.


EKG is a chick? Why didn't someone tell me? :rant:

Helllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooo, Honey. :D
 
When I get the time; because if the answer isn't that important to you, then I guess it's probably not that important.

I noticed that you skipped right over the funding of Obama's HC.

I don't see the need for myself, or anyone else, to repeat what's probably been repeated a hundred times on here to and on the internet to deaf, dumb and blind people.

You can find legitimate source on here if you look. Or try this:

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/index.html
 
Huh? Congress can vote on Medicare and change it.

Of course they can. Congress can vote to do anything they please. IF they wanted to completely abolish Medicare and give a rebate of Medicare funds to current taxpayers, so they can buy health insurance or Obamacare or whatever... they can do this. What they CAN'T do, is appropriate funds that have been collected to pay for Medicare, for the purpose and intent of paying for Obamacare.

The key here is "Congress can vote to..." I am aware of that, and have not argued that they can't. In order to fund Obamacare, they are going to have to vote to do so, because it will have to be paid for with a massive tax increase.

I'm not talking about the money already set aside. I'm talking about changing future tax money.

Congress does have authority to tax... yes, they can pass a massive tax increase to pay for Obamacare... that's ultimately what they will HAVE to do, because there is no funding for it otherwise. See.. what you keep arguing, is that they can implement Obamacare through Medicare, by making it a part of Medicare... but the SCOTUS ruled against that.

How did Medicare come about? Congress got together, wrote a medicare plan, voted on it and BINGO! Medicare. Now, Congress can vote on changing Medicare and Congress can vote on what what it wants ObamaCare to have. In other words Congress can change Medicare and ObamaCare by voting on it.

I suggest you read the ruling again. They specifically stated that the Federal government does NOT have this authority under the commerce clause. They have the authority to do Medicare, because it is part of the Social Security system, and we've passed the tax in Congress for that express purpose. They have no such authority to implement nationalized health care under the commerce clause, it has to be done, like Social Security, as a tax.

I suggest you watch this video starting at 2:00 to 4:00. Take the two minutes and watch it and understand what medical service is really like in the richest country in the world. Educate yourself. It will be easy to learn as it is accompanied by pictures. :)

I am not watching any propaganda videos, or being counted by any pinhead as part of some distorted demographic. Sorry... try another fool.
 
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