Raise The Minimum Wage!

[Rune]

Well, let's make it simpler. You used to be able to buy a Big Mac for less than 1/3 an hour's wages at minimum wage. Now it is nearly half of the hour's wages. Most of this is because cost of business increase. Was it all due to the minimum wage? No. Was some of it due to that? Yes. It also would be due to inflation, gasoline (delivery prices), etc.

Now, just to tell you.. I don't know of one McDonald's that pays minimum... My brother is a general manager of one they pay more than minimum even to new hires.

Thanks for proving that the minimum wage needs to be raised.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Thanks for proving that the minimum wage needs to be raised.

MIRED in stupidity.

 

[Rune]

MIRED in stupidity.

So when Damo proved that a burger now costs 1/2 of an hours wage rather than 1/3 it wasn't clear to you? Oh...wait...nevermind.

 

[Damocles]

Thanks for proving that the minimum wage needs to be raised.

M'eh... It's simply inflationary, the idea that raising minimum will make our lives better is ridiculous, it just makes it more expensive.

It's been explained to you, but you refuse to hear. This is what the Democrats come up with in election years that they have no real ideas. They figure that they can at least get the support of the people who make minimum. The problem with that is almost nobody does. A rise in the minimum won't even effect the McDonald's or Walmart employee. They already make more than that, it will simply make the product more expensive for the "very poor"...

 

[Rune]

M'eh... It's simply inflationary, the idea that raising minimum will make our lives better is ridiculous, it just makes it more expensive.

It's been explained to you, but you refuse to hear. This is what the Democrats come up with in election years that they have no real ideas. They figure that they can at least get the support of the people who make minimum. The problem with that is almost nobody does. A rise in the minimum won't even effect the McDonald's or Walmart employee. They already make more than that, it will simply make the product more expensive for the "very poor"...

Meh, I know some very poor. Thank god we have food pantries here. I would expect a brain the size of yours to be capable of empathy. There are indeed people who work for minimum wage. You selfish bastards have been "explaining" this to me for forty years. Another forty still will not suffice.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

So when Damo proved that a burger now costs 1/2 of an hours wage rather than 1/3 it wasn't clear to you? Oh...wait...nevermind.

Well, it proves it didn't help to raise the minimum wage all those years, the inflation outpaced the increases over time. If we had raised them more, inflation would have outpaced even more. You are chasing your tail. And apparently, have been chasing your tail for 40 years.

 

[Rune]

Well, it proves it didn't help to raise the minimum wage all those years, the inflation outpaced the increases over time. If we had raised them more, inflation would have outpaced even more. You are chasing your tail. And apparently, have been chasing your tail for 40 years.

Prove that food inflation is tied to raising the minimum wage. I understand this is a GOP talking point, and don't see it as any more than that, especialy since no (none, zip, zero, not one iota) of proof has been offered.

If there was even a hint of truth to this theory, perhaps you could explain why food costs have skyrocketed yet the minimum wage hasn't risen in four years.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Prove that food inflation is tied to raising the minimum wage. I understand this is a GOP talking point, and don't see it as any more than that, especialy since no (none, zip, zero, not one iota) of proof has been offered.

If there was even a hint of truth to this theory, perhaps you could explain why food costs have skyrocketed yet the minimum wage hasn't risen in four years.

I was going to explain it to you, but the last sentence you wrote, blew it. I can't explain it to someone who has such ignorance of basic economics. Sorry.

 

[Rune]

I was going to explain it to you, but I can't, due to my ignorance of basic economics Sorry.

Fixed that for you. Nice try.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Prove that food inflation is tied to raising the minimum wage. I understand this is a GOP talking point, and don't see it as any more than that, especialy since no (none, zip, zero, not one iota) of proof has been offered.

If there was even a hint of truth to this theory, perhaps you could explain why food costs have skyrocketed yet the minimum wage hasn't risen in four years.

This is on the level of dumbness we rarely see here, and that's saying something, Runed.

It's like saying... "You have NO proof of your theory of gravity, and if the theory were so, then explain why Earth hasn't dropped out of space?"

It just defies any understanding of the basic components you would need to comprehend an explanation. I can't help you, get more education first, then maybe I can explain how cost of labor is a contributing factor in price, but price has absolutely nothing to do with determining the cost of labor.

 

[Rune]

This is on the level of dumbness we rarely see here, and that's saying something, Runed.

It's like saying... "You have NO proof of your theory of gravity, and if the theory were so, then explain why Earth hasn't dropped out of space?"

It just defies any understanding of the basic components you would need to comprehend an explanation. I can't help you, get more education first, then maybe I can explain how cost of labor is a contributing factor in price, but price has absolutely nothing to do with determining the cost of labor.

Or you could just admit that you have no proof other than your word salad.

 

[j-mac]

Or you could just admit that you have no proof other than your word salad.

Just a question to delve further into the topic...First off, If Minimum wage were raised to a level you think appropriate for today's Cost of Living, what should that wage be in your eyes? And how do you think this would effect facets of the labor pool like, Teen employment, Minority employment? How many businesses that operate on a shoe string now be effected? Would they go out of business? What about those people?

 

[Damocles]

Prove that food inflation is tied to raising the minimum wage. I understand this is a GOP talking point, and don't see it as any more than that, especialy since no (none, zip, zero, not one iota) of proof has been offered.

If there was even a hint of truth to this theory, perhaps you could explain why food costs have skyrocketed yet the minimum wage hasn't risen in four years.

The minimum wage is inflationary, period. All business costs are inflationary, not just on food. It's pretty basic economics. If gas goes up, it is inflationary, if rubber goes up in cost it is inflationary in the cost of the items that use it... on and on.

 

[Damocles]

Meh, I know some very poor. Thank god we have food pantries here. I would expect a brain the size of yours to be capable of empathy. There are indeed people who work for minimum wage. You selfish bastards have been "explaining" this to me for forty years. Another forty still will not suffice.

Empathy I have, but I would expect a brain the size of yours to be able to understand the difference between emotion and reality. If what you are doing to "solve" the problem causes it in part you should reexamine the premise. I'm not particularly against the minimum going up, especially not if it actually worked, I am simply pointing out to you that it will not resolve the problem of "living wage" as you seem to think it will. The cost of business goes up, the cost of the items you purchase will go up...

The best way to help the "very poor" would be to help them get out of minimum wage jobs into better paying jobs and leave the minimum for the HS student. You are trying to lower the river rather than fix the bridge.

 

[Rune]

Just a question to delve further into the topic...First off, If Minimum wage were raised to a level you think appropriate for today's Cost of Living, what should that wage be in your eyes? And how do you think this would effect facets of the labor pool like, Teen employment, Minority employment? How many businesses that operate on a shoe string now be effected? Would they go out of business? What about those people?

I don't think it will get raised at all, nevermind enough to make a difference at all in any of the scenarios you propose.
Why don't you go ahead and show some proof of carnage caused by raising the minimum wage in the past.
That should be easy, or if it is not, shut up since all your arguments have already been rebutted.

 

[Rune]

The minimum wage is inflationary, period. All business costs are inflationary, not just on food. It's pretty basic economics. If gas goes up, it is inflationary, if rubber goes up in cost it is inflationary in the cost of the items that use it... on and on.

If minimum wage goes up then the costs associated with users of minimum wage labor (however limited they may be) go up but only those costs alone, and on and on.

Neither you nor anyone else has yet to offer proof that raising the minimum wage does anymore than just that, raising the minimum wage.
What has been established however, is that the funds available to those who earn the very least will now purchase substantially less food than they would at the time the government last determined that that was the minimum amount one could be paid. Food prices have skyrocketted since the minimum wage was last increased. The buying power of the dollar has dropped dramatically in that time, despite the minimum staying the same.

How is it OK that that the most vulnerable be allowed to be paid far less value as time goes on?

 

[j-mac]

I don't think it will get raised at all, nevermind enough to make a difference at all in any of the scenarios you propose.

Maybe I misunderstood, You are saying you want the wage raised No? I am simply asking to what?

Why don't you go ahead and show some proof of carnage caused by raising the minimum wage in the past.

Carnage? What a colorful term, and based in emotion as well. Tell me what I could show you that you wouldn't instantly dismiss under some ever changing metric, in the shifting sands that are your total disingenuousness?

That should be easy, or if it is not, shut up since all your arguments have already been rebutted.

Ah, back to emotions are we? Tell ya what, I think I will post whatever, whenever I wish, and until your simple addled brain can come up with intelligent argument, I willl be your bane. Not because like most people like you on the internet, are trolls and bullies, but because I am trying to teach your dumbass something about how to get along socially in a world where you'd never get away with being such a jackass in real life, before someone put you flat on your ass without giving it a second thought.

Now, either answer my question and talk like a rational human being, or log out, go upstairs and get a shower, and a change of clothes, and find out what lays waiting for you outside your mom's basement.

 

[Rune]

Empathy I have, but I would expect a brain the size of yours to be able to understand the difference between emotion and reality. If what you are doing to "solve" the problem causes it in part you should reexamine the premise. I'm not particularly against the minimum going up, especially not if it actually worked, I am simply pointing out to you that it will not resolve the problem of "living wage" as you seem to think it will. The cost of business goes up, the cost of the items you purchase will go up...

The best way to help the "very poor" would be to help them get out of minimum wage jobs into better paying jobs and leave the minimum for the HS student. You are trying to lower the river rather than fix the bridge.

Maybe if you stop guessing what I am thinking and discern my intentions from the words I type you would have an actual understanding of what I am saying.

I am not so simple as to imagine changing a wage would solve poverty. The point in raising the minimum is to attempt to partially negate the loss of buying power.

 

[j-mac]

The point in raising the minimum is to attempt to partially negate the loss of buying power.

Which has already been debunked in this thread by more than one individual. the loss in buying power has more to do with macro factors in the economy then it does micro factors like wage control.

 

[Rune]

Maybe I misunderstood, You are saying you want the wage raised No? I am simply asking to what?

I am advocating that an increase be considered, not a fixed amount. Perhaps you could refer to the OP as to the thread topic?



Carnage? What a colorful term, and based in emotion as well. Tell me what I could show you that you wouldn't instantly dismiss under some ever changing metric, in the shifting sands that are your total disingenuousness?

You don't consider bankrupt businesses and umemployed people to be suffering from carnage (economic, yet carnage nonetheless)?

How many businesses that operate on a shoe string now be effected? Would they go out of business? What about those people?

May I suggest that a dictionary might aid your ability to understand english?



Ah, back to emotions are we? Tell ya what, I think I will post whatever, whenever I wish, and until your simple addled brain can come up with intelligent argument, I willl be your bane. Not because like most people like you on the internet, are trolls and bullies, but because I am trying to teach your dumbass something about how to get along socially in a world where you'd never get away with being such a jackass in real life, before someone put you flat on your ass without giving it a second thought.

Perhaps you can point out which word indicates emotion?

That should be easy, or if it is not, shut up since all your arguments have already been rebutted.

Again, it seems you have difficulty understanding what words actually mean. You well be beyond the point of being able to improve your vocabulary with simply a dictionary.

Rereading your previous entry, it is now clear that your grasp upon written english and word usage is tenuous at best.

And how do you think this would effect facets of the labor pool like, Teen employmen

There are so many glaring errors in this sentence alone that any credibility you may have previously enjoyed is now called into question.

Finaly, in response to the above quoted segment of your post; Friend, this is the internet, not real life. Hyper-sensitive types who are easily offended should likely avoid internet political debate forums.




Now, either answer my question and talk like a rational human being, or log out, go upstairs and get a shower, and a change of clothes, and find out what lays waiting for you outside your mom's basement.

Too funny. I answer your question and provide a querry tit for tat. Rather than provide the proof I asked for (which I knew you would be incapable of since none exists) you demand I provide you with further answers. Good luck with that debate tactic, son.

Now, for the second time, can you provide any proof whatsoever of previous economic burdens caused by raising the minimum wage?