Obama: If you got a business, you didn't build that!

Well, it is clear our current Occupier in Chief didn't get to where he is on his own. Only thing is he won't release any of his college transcripts so we can't really tell who greased the wheels for him.
 
yeah, what's the context?
Oh, the standard "someone helped you" nonsense argument. well, liberals, guess what? Along the way, I've helped countless others so the fact that I built a small business alone and with my own money at stake, I take great offense to libtards like Obama making simpleton assertions that leave off half of the equation.

Libtards: How do they work?
Answer: With other peoples help.
 
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

Obama continued:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
 
tinfoil said:
yeah, what's the context?
Oh, the standard "someone helped you" nonsense argument. well, liberals, guess what? Along the way, I've helped countless others so the fact that I built a small business alone and with my own money at stake, I take great offense to libtards like Obama making simpleton assertions that leave off half of the equation.

Libtards: How do they work?
Answer: With other peoples help.
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Here's what he's talking about. The self-made man.

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
 
tinfoil said:
yeah, what's the context?
Oh, the standard "someone helped you" nonsense argument. well, liberals, guess what? Along the way, I've helped countless others so the fact that I built a small business alone and with my own money at stake, I take great offense to libtards like Obama making simpleton assertions that leave off half of the equation.

Libtards: How do they work?
Answer: With other peoples help.
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Yea? Kiss my ass. I see that bull shit all the time at work. The "Talent" who consist of a group of assholes who's daddys sent them to Harvard earn 130 times what the typical engineer, systems analyist, chemist and accuntant makes and they only work a 20 hour week cause they have personal business interest they need to take care of (something I'd get fired for) and what do they produce? Well they know somebody who knows somebody on WallStreet and K-Street. So who are the makers and who are the takers?

So fuck you. I work my ass off and I produce and god damnit I'm going to fight like hell to earn the most value for my productive work and if you don't like it fuck you get out of my way and go lay your lame line of shit on someone else.
 
tinfoil said:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

Obama continued:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
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It's true. You don't get there on your own and if your taking a disproportionate precentage of the pie you be an idiot to not expect that those who produce won't fight your for their fair share of that pie.
 
In my life, all I can really go by is my personal experiences. All I can say is, I have only known of one person who started with nothing, opened a small business (Mom & Pop) and eventually succeeded. This was a Cuban immigrant who came here with nothing, started a pizza business, and became legendary in the region. That was back in the 1950s, when he did this. Other than Armando, I don't know of anyone who started with nothing.

I do have a great many contacts and friends who have started small businesses. I would say, somewhere in the dozens. Almost to a fault, the business is started after one or both have retired early from some other career, with some large corporation or perhaps the military or public service. They have saved money, they have pensions from their former employer, and they chose to realize a dream of owning their own business. There are always exceptions, and I do know of a single mom who used her child support money to buy cleaning supplies and eventually built a small cleaning business. But she really busted her ass, what she didn't have in assets, she made up for in sweat and hard work, she totally earned her success the old-fashioned way.

The point is, we don't live in 1956 America... It's 2012. The days of the old 'Mom & Pop' are essentially gone. They have been gone for a while now. In their place, is the millions of small businesses from millions of entrepreneurial individuals, who have the needed capital to invest in their ideas. Whether that capital comes from the source of a pension or loan, it still has to come from someplace. IF we're restricting use of pensions and ability to invest in capital, or do banking, that is going to effect small business. In your zeal to 'punish' bankers and investors, and big corporations, you are really putting a gun to the head of small business.
 
Dixie said:
In my life, all I can really go by is my personal experiences. All I can say is, I have only known of one person who started with nothing, opened a small business (Mom & Pop) and eventually succeeded. This was a Cuban immigrant who came here with nothing, started a pizza business, and became legendary in the region. That was back in the 1950s, when he did this. Other than Armando, I don't know of anyone who started with nothing.

I do have a great many contacts and friends who have started small businesses. I would say, somewhere in the dozens. Almost to a fault, the business is started after one or both have retired early from some other career, with some large corporation or perhaps the military or public service. They have saved money, they have pensions from their former employer, and they chose to realize a dream of owning their own business. There are always exceptions, and I do know of a single mom who used her child support money to buy cleaning supplies and eventually built a small cleaning business. But she really busted her ass, what she didn't have in assets, she made up for in sweat and hard work, she totally earned her success the old-fashioned way.

The point is, we don't live in 1956 America... It's 2012. The days of the old 'Mom & Pop' are essentially gone. They have been gone for a while now. In their place, is the millions of small businesses from millions of entrepreneurial individuals, who have the needed capital to invest in their ideas. Whether that capital comes from the source of a pension or loan, it still has to come from someplace. IF we're restricting use of pensions and ability to invest in capital, or do banking, that is going to effect small business. In your zeal to 'punish' bankers and investors, and big corporations, you are really putting a gun to the head of small business.
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I started my business on a shoe string as a teenager. Was called lifting yourself by your own boot straps back then. I still run it today. I own it all, never had a bank business loan, re-invested profits, worked a ton of hours the first 20 years. I am a first generation american, which apparently makes starting a business easier.
 
Rune said:
I started my business on a shoe string as a teenager. Was called lifting yourself by your own boot straps back then. I still run it today. I own it all, never had a bank business loan, re-invested profits, worked a ton of hours the first 20 years. I am a first generation american, which apparently makes starting a business easier.
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And it's getting harder and more rare for people to do what you did. As I said, there are exceptions, you can work hard enough to overcome the burdens government places on small business, it's just not as easy as it was in the 1950s. Most small business nowadays, are started by people who have saved or have pensions, and can secure the financial backing to get off the ground. Mom and Pops today, are started the opposite of how they once were, instead of starting with nothing and working into a success, they are started after success in some other career, with the available funding to make the dream happen. It may still require a great deal of work and effort, and it may still ultimately fail, but it's easier to start a business if you have the money to start one.
 
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