Why we are 100% screwed as a country

ekg said:
It's not a matter of 'paid into the system' it's a matter of being part of a whole, so yeah.. I could survive, probably as well if not better than many. Liberal I may be, but I also hunt, can clean my kill, use it,cook it and live off it for as long as I need to, and not just with a gun either, bows,gigs,traps and even a slingshot.I can fish,garden and scavenge the local herbs (hey now) as well. Not too mention set up a primitive 'drinkable water'/cooling and latrine system and even cook with nothing but homemade sun-oven.. and if someone is hurt, I can suture too...Yeah, I'm that girl!

But even after having to do all of that, and btw if I did, the end of the world would be upon us and not just a natural disaster.. I would still be expecting the help of my country.. we're part of a whole.... expecting help is normal.. Those 'poor saps' had every right to expect help... it was a hurricane, not the zombie-apocalypse..nor was it Capt Trips or alien invasion...It was a hurricane. I live on the east coast of Florida, trust me when I tell you, I'm hurricane ready. But even after 21 days of no power,gas,open stores and being hit by 2 hurricanes within 10miles and 2 weeks of each other.. I still expect my government to come in and do it's job.. and I wasn't disappointed. Within hours we had 'watering/cooling' stations all around since it's pretty fucking hot in FL especially after a storm..

Katrina was a personnel problem.. a lack of leadership from Bush on down.. FLA had the smart Bush, he didn't fuck around. I can't say much for the guy, but he was on the ball when it came to hurricanes and disaster..Unlike his brother who decided to put a horse-judge in charge of FEMA.. I mean hey, how different can it be. right?:palm: Not too mention the inept Governor who didn't know she was in over her head..

But it's this bullshit idea from 'survivalists' that it's somehow naive to expect the United States to actually ya know, help it's citizens who are in a massive crisis, is what I have a problem with when it comes to you guys. Because it's more like you're hoping for the very scenario you're so prepared for just to 'thin out the herd' and 'weed out the government'.. or test out your knowledge or something.. Try being a part of the whole for once, it's not hard. The whole is what got you where you are today and gave you the power to shit all over and look down your nose at it...running around screaming 'the gobblement isn't going to help you, the gobblement is going to take all your money and collapse' isn't being a solution, it's being the problem.. As prepared as you think you are, you'd shit yourself and weep for comfort if tomorrow the gov't did what you portend.. because even now, even under Obama, you rely on it and expect it to be there when you need it and it doesn't make you a 'poor sap', it makes you part of civilization dude....
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It is those very expectations that caused Katrina. If they ha evacuated, they wouldn't have been struggling. Ingot to where I am on my own and with the "voluntary" help of friends and family. This whole notion of , the gobblement gives you water, food etc is paternalistic and actually scary to hear a grown person proclaim.

I lived in New Orleans at the time. There was a culture of dependence that was a recipe for disaster. You libs sound as if all good flows from gobblement an nothing bad. All roses and candy. How naive for a grown person
 
FactsRStubborn said:
I loved the part of the financial collapse of the Weimar Republic "lasted what, 10 or 12 years" ROFLMAO

If we had a situation like the Weimar Republic that lasted 10-12 years in this country, what do you think would happen? With all of the dependence that has been created? Hell, I wouldn't want to be around for that. If you want to see a microcosm of what would happen, look at old video clips of Katrina.
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I wonder why it's Katrina you're humping so strongly.. I know it couldn't be because of the color of those affected right?

How about this, lets look at 9/11.. let's look at the 94 LA quakes.. let's look at any winter with massive,muti-state power outages, any spring with enormous floods.. or after hurricane Andrew.. let's ignore the repeated success of those stories and hump,hump,hump the one that a President fubar'd because of cronyism..

your 'microcosm' is showing dear..
 
WinterBorn said:
Ok, suppose your original supposition is true, and we are 100% screwed? What now? Shall we have a mass suicide? Shall we all just stop what we are doing?

Its all well and good to proclaim we are all screwed, but it really accomplishes nothing.
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Yes... mass suicide is the answer. We will start with the far left and far right and work our way to the center. No, no... we promise, if the extremists start we will all be right behind them. Promise. Pinky swear. Etc...
 
WinterBorn said:
The math is the math as long as you are talking about paying off the entire debt at one time. But that is not how it works, is it? But if we look at reducing the deficit and paying on the debt of a few decades, it doesn't seem as scary and not as useful to alarmists and sensationalists.

I am one of those who hopes for the best and prepares for the worst. Perhaps getting to know people before you make blanket statements would help.

As for the Weimar Republic, that was hardly a doomsday situation now was it? It lasted what, 10 or 12 years? Not quite a survivalist situation overall.
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You cannot reduce the deficit and pay down the debt simultaneously. You have to eliminate the deficit spending. Just an fyi...
 
FactsRStubborn said:
It is those very expectations that caused Katrina. If they ha evacuated, they wouldn't have been struggling. Ingot to where I am on my own and with the "voluntary" help of friends and family. This whole notion of , the gobblement gives you water, food etc is paternalistic and actually scary to hear a grown person proclaim.

I lived in New Orleans at the time. There was a culture of dependence that was a recipe for disaster. You libs sound as if all good flows from gobblement an nothing bad. All roses and candy. How naive for a grown person
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There was a culture of dependence that was a recipe for disaster. I'll give you that, but that is not a 'microcosm' of the whole.. and it's not indicative of every where.. N'O/Louisiana, the whole place is where 'good government' went to die..and the 'Good ole boys and Laissez les bons temps rouler" ruled the day.. but that was part of it's culture and charm as well..

If they had evac'd.. really? that shit again.. They did, they evac'd to the dome.. the luckier ones got the hell up outta there, but some had no means to travel, had no where to go if they did.. and some made stupid mistakes.. it still doesn't negate the fact that they had every right to expect the government of the United States of America to be able to help them. No one said anything about 'roses and candy'..No one said don't prepare on your own so you can be able to sustain yourself until help arrives and it's not scary to hear a sane person say it's normal to expect the USA to step up in times of disaster, but it's damn sure America-hating to think it can't..

What made you think so fucking little of your country?
 
FactsRStubborn said:
Just substitute Jew for 1% and how is what OWEbama doing any different than what Hitler did?
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uh..

I'm trying to see your point, but I'm having a hard time getting my head that far up my ass.. but you go girl with your bad, "Obama is Hilter" self..

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FactsRStubborn said:
As it stands today, our federal gobblement is anywhere from $65 to 100 trillion in debt when you consider the unfunded liabilities for Socialist inSecurity and Mediscam. For those who do not understand what unfunded liabilities mean. It essentially means that the federal gobblement would need to have $65-100 trillion sitting in the bank TODAY to cover all of the debts that will come due over the ensuing years as the baby boomers begin to suck us dry.

To give you a little context on what that actually means, there is about $70 trillion of GDP in the entire world. That would mean the US of A would have to confiscate the entire wealth of the entire world just to cover its debts.

It is a matter of math plain and simple and no amount of political posturing on either side will change it. So while the political class has you all hot and bothered over whether to increase taxes on the top 2% just know that whether they do or don't, it doesn't matter because either way we are fucked.:awesome:
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Well the neocon/globalist policies of outsourcing/offshoring as much as possible for short term profit have destroyed our economy, public and private. So blame yourself, neocon douche.
 
Gatorman said:
Huge ifs, WinterBorn. And shallow thinking. I suppose all those people just committed suicide, eh? Did you see my comment about the disparities in population and facilities between disaster locations? Not to mention that over 25% of New Orleans adults did not drive and had no means of transportation. Lots of things could have happened differently but the failures of the feds to properly respond is unforgivable in my very best estimation.
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Not huge ifs. Fact. The evacuation was poorly managed in New Orleans by Nagin and too many people ignored the notices. That compounded what was needed after the storm hit.
 
BAN HAMMER said:
Ok Apple, let's imagine that there ARE 250,000 who would possibly be useful. Can you possibly imagine the logistical effort required to mobilize, and then support, that many people at a military level? It takes MONTHS to prepare deployments 1/10 of that size.
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on the other hand, there's a charitable organization located in Spring Lake Michigan that I contribute to called International Aid that had $5 million in water, food, and sanitation kits on the ground in Mississippi being distributed through local churches four days after Katrina hit.....

they also gather medical supplies nearing expiration date from hospitals all over the midwest and ship them to third world countries on a regular basis.....

worth considering for donations......
http://www.internationalaid.org/Home.html
 
BAN HAMMER said:
Yeah, all those air craft mechanics and admin clerks (the two largest MOS's) know a lot about disaster relief. And your average grunt, trained solely in killing people, would be great at engineering temporary levies and pumping out flood water.

Perhaps you'd like to rethink your delusional fantasy world.
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You know zero about the training and capabilities of our armed forces.
 
BAN HAMMER said:
Ok Apple, let's imagine that there ARE 250,000 who would possibly be useful. Can you possibly imagine the logistical effort required to mobilize, and then support, that many people at a military level? It takes MONTHS to prepare deployments 1/10 of that size.
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A much less effort would have been required to evacuate those souls from New Orleans. All you have is speculation. My military experience indicate and even proves differently. The army of one is much better prepared than you allude. Or should I say delude?
 
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