The vast majority of gun owners in this country are law-abiding citizens

SmarterthanYou said:
then what is it? are ALL gun owners exercising their right to kill? or just non government gun owners? are ALL gun owners as insane as james holmes? or only the non government ones?
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The fact that you're incapable of differentiating between trained law enforcement personnel's use of firearms and the right of ALL people (which includes whack jobs) to possess guns is entirely your problem and shortcoming, not mine. When you're able to make the distinction, I'll continue this discussion with you.
 
Bijou said:
The fact that you're incapable of differentiating between trained law enforcement personnel's use of firearms and the right to ALL people (which includes whack jobs) to possess guns is entirely your problem and shortcoming, not mine. When you're able to make the distinction, I'll continue this discussion with you.
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no, it's your idiocy causing the problem. when you're able to make the distinction, your opinion will be worth reading. perhaps you'd like a double dose of my police misconduct reports and your lovable trained law enforcements negligent use of firearms?
 
Bijou said:
He was just another gun nut exercising his 'rights'. What do think gun nuts want to do with their guns, genius? Stare at them in a locked, glass case?
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you know....i actually had some respect for you until this post.

tell me bijou....what right was he exercising?

let me guess....the make believe rights you believe exist whenever you want them to?

:rolleyes:
 
Bijou said:
The fact that you're incapable of differentiating between trained law enforcement personnel's use of firearms and the right of ALL people (which includes whack jobs) to possess guns is entirely your problem and shortcoming, not mine. When you're able to make the distinction, I'll continue this discussion with you.
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hey, how about this one?

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...e-involved-shooting-learning-opportunity.html

10TV's cameras were rolling as a burglary suspect connected to a deadly shooting doubles back from being chased by an officer and jumps into her cruiser.

"These are the people that we deal with everyday," said Columbus Division of Police Sgt. Rich Weiner. "They have nothing to lose."

The pursuing patrol officer, whose name was not immediately released, fired six shots at the man as an uninvolved vehicle moved off the road.
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SmarterthanYou said:
no, it's your idiocy causing the problem. when you're able to make the distinction, your opinion will be worth reading. perhaps you'd like a double dose of my police misconduct reports and your lovable trained law enforcements negligent use of firearms?
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Perhaps I'm not the least bit interested in your desperate straw-grasping and failed attempt to justify why gun rights that include rights for James Holmes can coexist with your outrage over what James Holmes did?
 
Yurt said:
you know....i actually had some respect for you until this post.

tell me bijou....what right was he exercising?

let me guess....the make believe rights you believe exist whenever you want them to?

:rolleyes:
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bijou?

are you afraid to talk about rights after getting trounced in the other thread?
 
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Yurt said:
Coalition Report: The Movement of Illegal Guns in America

In the highly contentious debate about the appropriate scope of gun laws, it is important to keep in mind two propositions that almost all sides agree on. First, the vast majority of gun owners in this country are law-abiding citizens; most gun crimes are committed by a small minority of the gun-owning population. Second, gun laws must be designed to keep firearms away from the criminal minority without infringing on the rights of the law-abiding majority.

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/trace/analysis.shtml

banning or outlawing guns will not stop gun crime....
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I'm glad I gave you a topic to discuss Yurt. From the Children's Defense Council:

Think about this:

In 2008, 2,947 children and teens died from guns in the United States and 2,793 died in 2009 for a total of 5,740—one child or teen every three hours, eight every day, 55 every week for two years. In The 5,740 children and teens killed by guns in 2008 and 2009:
• Would fill more than 229 public school classrooms of 25 students each;
• Was greater than the number of U.S. military personnel killed in action in Iraq and
Afghanistan (5,013).2 In The number of preschoolers killed by guns in 2008 (88) and in 2009 (85) was nearly double the
number of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty in 2008 (41) and 2009 (48).
n Black children and teens accounted for 45 percent of all child and teen gun deaths in 2008
and 2009 but were only 15 percent of the total child population.
n Black males 15-19 were eight times as likely as White males of the same age and
two-and-a-half times as likely as their Hispanic peers to be killed in a gun homicide in 2009.
n The leading cause of death among Black teens ages 15 to 19 in 2008 and 2009 was gun
homicide. For White teens 15 to 19 it was motor vehicle accidents followed by gun homicide
in 2008 and gun suicide in 2009.
n The most recent analysis of data from 23 industrialized nations shows that 87 percent of the
children under age 15 killed by guns in these nations lived in the United States. The gun
homicide rate in the United States for teens and young adults ages 15 to 24 was 42.7 times
higher than the combined rate for the other nations.
n Of the 116,385 children and teens killed by a gun since 1979, when gun data by age were first
collected, 44,038 were Black—nearly 13 times more than the number of recorded lynchings
of Black people of all ages in the 86 years from 1882 to 1968. Even so, more White than
Black children and teens have died from gun violence.
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Six times as many children and teens—34,387—suffered nonfatal gun injuries as gun deaths in 2008
and 2009. This is equal to one child or teen every 31 minutes, 47 every day, and 331 children and
teens every week.
n The 34,387 children and teens injured by guns in 2008 and 2009:
• Would fill more than 1,375 public school classrooms of 25 students each;
• Was more than the number of U.S. military personnel wounded in action
in Iraq (32,223) and more than double the number wounded in action
in Afghanistan (15,438).

The rate of gun injuries was 10 times higher among Black children and teens than it was among White children and teens. In 2009, the gun injury rate was 51.1 per 100,000 for Black children and teens; for White children and teens it was 5.0 per 100,000. Boys are far more likely to be injured in gun assaults or accidents than girls; girls are far
more likely to be injured in gun suicide attempts than boys.
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By any standards of human and moral decency, children in America are under assault, and by international standards, America remains an unparalleled world leader in gun deaths of children and teens—a distinction we shamefully and immorally choose! The most recent analysis of data from 23 high-income countries reported that 87 percent of children under age 15 killed by guns in these nations lived in the United States. And the U.S. gun homicide rate for teens and young adults 15 to 24 was 42.7 times higher than the combined gun homicide rate for that same age group in the other countries.

Why are common-sense gun regulations so shockingly absent in our country? Even in the wake of the tragedy in Tucson and the near-fatal shooting of one of their own, Congress failed to take action. Calls for banning high-volume ammunition clips and tightening up the federal background check system were ignored. Instead, our leaders once again answered the call of gun owners and the powerful gun lobby over the rights of children and citizens to life and safety.
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Finally...

We need leaders at all levels of government who will protect children rather than guns and we need a relentless, powerful citizens’ voice to break the gun lobby’s veto on sane gun policy. Our laws must control who can obtain firearms and close the gun show loophole, require consumer safety standards and childproof safety features for all firearms, and strengthen child access prevention laws that ensure guns in the home are stored safely and securely. We all must take action. We all must ask candidates this fall what steps they will take to protect children from guns. We must remove guns from our homes where children so often find them and put themselves and others
in harm’s way. We must teach our children nonviolent ways to resolve conflicts and we must reject pervasive violence in our culture—on TV programs, songs, in movies, and on the internet. And we must engage our young people in purposeful activities that will keep them away from gangs, drugs, violence, and guns.
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Derp Derp said:
Yea, what I'm thinking is how many weapons was he in possession of that are not appropriate for civilian use.
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Me too. And where did he get them?

Bijou said:
Oh, please. When's the last time your neighborhood was under siege?

This idea that we all need guns to defend ourselves (from what exactly?) has become an ingrained part of our culture and is propped up by the phony notion that we all need to exercise our 'rights' by owning guns.
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That's the Wild, Wild West mentality I've been speaking of.

Yurt said:
actually bijou....the founders dictated how important the freedom of gun ownership is. in fact...in case you don't know....they made it the second amendment.
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blah blah blah...The second amendment: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." could also be interpreted to mean "If you want to carry a gun, join the National Guard". Literal readers of the Constitution amuse me.

Yurt said:
why do you hate the constitution, founders and scotus?
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Why do you hate children???


SmarterthanYou said:
so all the cops are out there looking for someone to kill? do you even realize how moronic you sound?
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Bijou said:
Of course not. Do you realize how stupid - and desperate - you sound comparing trained law enforcement officers to whackos like James Holmes?
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That's STY's defense in the APP thread too...he hates children too.

SmarterthanYou said:
then what is it? are ALL gun owners exercising their right to kill? or just non government gun owners? are ALL gun owners as insane as james holmes? or only the non government ones?
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Since when do does a gun owner have a right to kill?
 
 
Yurt said:
Coalition Report: The Movement of Illegal Guns in America

In the highly contentious debate about the appropriate scope of gun laws, it is important to keep in mind two propositions that almost all sides agree on. First, the vast majority of gun owners in this country are law-abiding citizens; most gun crimes are committed by a small minority of the gun-owning population. Second, gun laws must be designed to keep firearms away from the criminal minority without infringing on the rights of the law-abiding majority.


banning or outlawing guns will not stop gun crime....
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This is laughable. Since when do you need AK 147 to defend yourself in public? Once again NRA and their pack of goons defending senseless killing in a public place. Their answer, "We need more weapons" Just stupid classless people.
 
Thanks Bijou.

True story: One of my best friends in the military was an avid gun collector and even more avid NRA follower. He always claimed to be a responsible gun owner. Until the day his 13 year old son blew his brains out with a gun he found hidden in the home. It destroyed his life.

There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. Period.
 
Howey said:
Thanks Bijou.

True story: One of my best friends in the military was an avid gun collector and even more avid NRA follower. He always claimed to be a responsible gun owner. Until the day his 13 year old son blew his brains out with a gun he found hidden in the home. It destroyed his life.

There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. Period.
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Nope, but to a gun nut, what happened to your friend and what happened in Colorado is worth the risk in order to have that "right".

Hence, gun nut.
 
Howey said:
I'm glad I gave you a topic to discuss Yurt. From the Children's Defense Council:

How about YOU think about this:

54, 559, 515 human beings were terminated in the US between 1973 and 2011

Over 1.4 million per year, every year.......


Why do YOU hate children???



Since when do does a gun owner have a right to kill?
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Since when does a women have the right to kill at will ? Without restriction, for convenience .... some for no other reason than "I was a little careless having sex".....and
"I don't want to get fat", etc.

How does 1,400,000 compare to your 3000 per year, with the largest percentage of that 3000 being crime related.
How many schoolrooms would they fill
How many soldiers might that be

Yeah, I agree..... By any standards of human and moral decency, children in America are under assault....on purpose,

for usually nothing more that vanity and selfishness......not crime or accidents
 
bravo said:
Since when does a women have the right to kill at will ? Without restriction, for convenience .... some for no other reason than "I was a little careless having sex".....and
"I don't want to get fat", etc.

How does 1,400,000 compare to your 3000 per year
How many schoolrooms would they fill
How many soldiers might that be

Yeah, I agree..... By any standards of human and moral decency, children in America are under assault....

for usually nothing more that vanity and selfishness......
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Are you a gun nut, Bravo?

Are you using abortion to justify your gun rights?

:rofl2:
 
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