gun carrying citizen stops stabbing spree

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http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4...-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."
 
I get the argument that certain situations might be safer if people carried guns everywhere.

However, the flip side of that is that people would be carrying guns everywhere - people who have road rage, anger issues, are prone to physical altercations, etc. I think that's why most people don't like the idea of people carrying guns everywhere.
 
Onceler said:
I get the argument that certain situations might be safer if people carried guns everywhere.

However, the flip side of that is that people would be carrying guns everywhere - people who have road rage, anger issues, are prone to physical altercations, etc. I think that's why most people don't like the idea of people carrying guns everywhere.
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guns everywhere solves all the problems of hot headed assholes who like to hurt people. when one bully whips out his gun to intimidate or kill someone else, the half dozen others around him can kill his ass dead, then he can't hurt anyone anymore. eventually we're left with a society full of people too terrified to be shot by everyone around them to instigate violence.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
guns everywhere solves all the problems of hot headed assholes who like to hurt people. when one bully whips out his gun to intimidate or kill someone else, the half dozen others around him can kill his ass dead, then he can't hurt anyone anymore. eventually we're left with a society full of people too terrified to be shot by everyone around them to instigate violence.
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That's an idealized view as far as preventing violence, and also a vision I don't think the majority is comfortable with. There are plenty of confrontational incidents where there aren't groups of people around - road rage comes immediately to mind, but there are many others.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
guns everywhere solves all the problems of hot headed assholes who like to hurt people. when one bully whips out his gun to intimidate or kill someone else, the half dozen others around him can kill his ass dead, then he can't hurt anyone anymore. eventually we're left with a society full of people too terrified to be shot by everyone around them to instigate violence.
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Sounds a lot like "Tombstone" to me.
 
Onceler said:
That's an idealized view as far as preventing violence, and also a vision I don't think the majority is comfortable with. There are plenty of confrontational incidents where there aren't groups of people around - road rage comes immediately to mind, but there are many others.
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1) there's no foolproof way to prevent violence
2) the majority may not be comfortable with alot of things, but they can still occur.
3) we always talk about the 'innocent bystanders', but unless we all get force fields, we will ALWAYS be in danger in some way, shape, or form.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
1) there's no foolproof way to prevent violence
2) the majority may not be comfortable with alot of things, but they can still occur.
3) we always talk about the 'innocent bystanders', but unless we all get force fields, we will ALWAYS be in danger in some way, shape, or form.
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As for the majority, if they are uncomfortable with a policy like that, chances are that politicians will follow suit.

But in the bigger picture, we're weighing the risks of 2 different scenarios. Obviously, a gun-weilding public is desirable in cases like the OP, or in Aurora.

However, these cases tend to be few & far between. By arming the public basically everywhere they go, I think most assume that there would be more day-to-day violence. It's too easy to kill someone with a gun, and there are too many situations where that could happen on virtually a daily basis.

Now, the assumption with scenario 2 might not be how it would play out - but I think it would, and I think most think it would. That's why we don't have everyone carrying guns.
 
Onceler said:
I get the argument that certain situations might be safer if people carried guns everywhere.

However, the flip side of that is that people would be carrying guns everywhere - people who have road rage, anger issues, are prone to physical altercations, etc. I think that's why most people don't like the idea of people carrying guns everywhere.
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Well, let's suppose that everyone was armed. Would said angry individual be as likely to fly off the handle if he was ware that everyone around his was armed? Most likely no. But additionally, that's proven to be untrue in any event.
 
Onceler said:
As for the majority, if they are uncomfortable with a policy like that, chances are that politicians will follow suit.

But in the bigger picture, we're weighing the risks of 2 different scenarios. Obviously, a gun-weilding public is desirable in cases like the OP, or in Aurora.

However, these cases tend to be few & far between. By arming the public basically everywhere they go, I think most assume that there would be more day-to-day violence. It's too easy to kill someone with a gun, and there are too many situations where that could happen on virtually a daily basis.

Now, the assumption with scenario 2 might not be how it would play out - but I think it would, and I think most think it would. That's why we don't have everyone carrying guns.
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I agree with this but as I sit here and type with my semi-auto pistol nestled in the small of my back (just got back from taking the boy to a Doctor's appointment) ia am thankful that I live in a country where I can 'choose' to carry or not.
 
Onceler said:
As for the majority, if they are uncomfortable with a policy like that, chances are that politicians will follow suit.

But in the bigger picture, we're weighing the risks of 2 different scenarios. Obviously, a gun-weilding public is desirable in cases like the OP, or in Aurora.

However, these cases tend to be few & far between. By arming the public basically everywhere they go, I think most assume that there would be more day-to-day violence. It's too easy to kill someone with a gun, and there are too many situations where that could happen on virtually a daily basis.

Now, the assumption with scenario 2 might not be how it would play out - but I think it would, and I think most think it would. That's why we don't have everyone carrying guns.
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so wouldn't you agree then, that listening to a majority talk about a policy that they have no experience with, just an emotional mindset on it, is a really bad idea?
 
FN FS2000 said:
Well, let's suppose that everyone was armed. Would said angry individual be as likely to fly off the handle if he was ware that everyone around his was armed? Most likely no. But additionally, that's proven to be untrue in any event.
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This is true. I have been teaching and involved in classrooms since the days of bringing a disruptive kid to the front of the class, having him grab the chalkboard rail and administering three, four or five swats with a flat board to his posterior. I can tell you that classroom discipline has deteriorated a whole lot since then. I can also tell you that even then that didn't stop all of the classroom discipline problems.
 
FN FS2000 said:
Well, let's suppose that everyone was armed. Would said angry individual be as likely to fly off the handle if he was ware that everyone around his was armed? Most likely no. But additionally, that's proven to be untrue in any event.
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lets take another common urban scenario.....the drive by shooting. what do you think that bangers in the car coming up the street are going to do when there are half a dozen mom and dads carrying semi automatic rifles while they watch their kids play in the yard?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
lets take another common urban scenario.....the drive by shooting. what do you think that bangers in the car coming up the street are going to do when there are half a dozen mom and dads carrying semi automatic rifles while they watch their kids play in the yard?
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That's not the same thing. Most (almost all) drive-bys are gang on gang. It's a fair assumption on both parts that all participants, shooters and victims, are armed. That's why it's a drive by. The shooters do not want to get shot.

Now if the bystandards were also armed, it might be a different story.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so wouldn't you agree then, that listening to a majority talk about a policy that they have no experience with, just an emotional mindset on it, is a really bad idea?
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While there is emotion involved, I don't think that's a great way to characterize the resulting conclusions.

Like I said, it's weighing 2 scenarios. I don't think having fear about the kind of violence that might erupt if everyone carried a gun is irrational. I think it can be based on a rational assessment of human behavior.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
lets take another common urban scenario.....the drive by shooting. what do you think that bangers in the car coming up the street are going to do when there are half a dozen mom and dads carrying semi automatic rifles while they watch their kids play in the yard?
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do you have any information regarding people stopping crimes and people abusing their gun rights
 
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