Should liars, murderers, adulterers etc....be allowed to marry?

[FUCK THE POLICE]

liars, murderers, adulterers procreate just like everybody else. Gays do not.

There's not really much of a need to increase procreation in the modern world, in fact, the concern is mostly with overpopulation. The idea that society needs to offer special incentives to relationships that increase the population is hopelessly antiquated. Also, the fact that people who make such an argument typically fail to extend it to different sex couples who don't have children shows it as little more than a thin veil for bigotry.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

???? They will procreate, with or without marriage. A father doesnt encourage his young, sexually active daughter to pick one partner and marry, because he doesnt think she can procreate without being married. He does so because he knows she can procreate just fine with or without marriage.

When a child is born, only two people in the world are obligated by law to provide and care for the child. The woman who gave birth to the child and the man who fathered the child. Heterosexual couples are encouraged to marry so that when procreation does occur, it is more likely to occur into a home with both the mother and father present to provide and care for that child, because the most frequent alternative is a child born to a single mother on her own, and the only other person in the world obligated to support the child, the father, is either absent or unknown.

I think that most heterosexual couples would find the concept of justifying marriage merely as being a tool the state uses to incentivize procreation to be somewhat creepy. People don't like being manipulated.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Using that rather simplistic understanding of constitutional law, denying the unmarried, the benefits given to the married is denying them equal rights.

Most of the benefits given to the married are only relevant between two different people. It would be nonsensical to demand that an unmarried person be given the right to visit their non-existant dying spouse in the hospital.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I, as a heterosexual am also precluded from marrying someone of the same sex. I as a 52 yr old divorcee, much to set in my ways to marry my girlfriend, have no interest in marrying someone of the oppostie sex, like homosexuals who also have no interest in marrying someone of the opposite sex. No more a denial of homosexuals rights than it is a denial of mine.

Yes, and in the case of racial miscengnation laws, black people were free to marry all the black people they wanted to. Where was the denial of rights there, huh?

 

[dixon76710]

There's not really much of a need to increase procreation in the modern world, in fact, the concern is mostly with overpopulation.

Nope. Procreation continues just fine, with or without procreation. Marriage has nothing to do with encouraging procreation. It likely inhibits it.

The idea that society needs to offer special incentives to relationships that increase the population is hopelessly antiquated.

Its your idea, not mine.

 

[dixon76710]

I think that most heterosexual couples would find the concept of justifying marriage merely as being a tool the state uses to incentivize procreation to be somewhat creepy. People don't like being manipulated.

Ill wait here while you run down the strawmen

 

[dixon76710]

Yes, and in the case of racial miscengnation laws, black people were free to marry all the black people they wanted to. Where was the denial of rights there, huh?

Improving the well being of children is a legitimate, governmental interest. Purifying the white race is not.

 

[apple0154]

What happens when sheep marry sheep?

After reading Bravo’s post I decided to do a little research.
Msg #15.

Even male PETA members can't marry their pet orangutans.....unless its a female... lol

(Excerpt) An orangutan from a prostitute village in Borneo. We found her chained to a wall, lying on a mattress. She had been shaved all over her body.
If a man walked near her, she would turn herself around, present herself, and start gyrating and going through the motions. She was being used as a sex slave…….
You could choose a human if you preferred, but it was a novelty for many of the men to have sex with an orangutan.(End)
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2007/11/if_turning_an_o

On the other hand we have, (Excerpt) “You’ll have to buy me dinner first.”
Female orangutans (Pongo sp) have come up with a way to assess the temperament of potential mates before making a commitment. Food sharing between adults is not common for orangutans; however, when it does occur it is most likely to be a male sharing his food with a sexually receptive female. Just why might this occur? Male orangutans can be coercive and violent, specifically when it comes to sexual relations. Females must therefore have a method by which to gain some knowledge about the males’ disposition before she selects him as a mating partner…..

The only females that actively solicited food from males were sexually active and available, suggesting that the food-taking behavior serves a function in the selection of a potential mate…..

Primate females may be the only females in the animal kingdom that utilize the food sharing behavior of potential mates as a method by which to assess his appropriateness. Males, take note: females are at work utilizing their powers of intuition in order to assess whether you might make an appropriate partner, sexual or otherwise. You don’t always need to share your fries…but if you don’t you are running the risk of losing a mate based on your unwillingness to do so. Despite the fact that we could easily obtain fries of our own, we want some of yours. Deal with it. (End)
http://carinbondar.com/2011/09/youll-have-to-buy-me-dinner-first/

It appears humans have adopted a few orangutan traits.

Finally, what some believe is arguably just as important, Orangutans do housework.

 

[Jarod]

Is the only reason for marriage procreation?

Should infertal couples be allowed to marry?

 

[Lowaicue]

After reading Bravo’s post I decided to do a little research.
Msg #15.

(Excerpt) An orangutan from a prostitute village in Borneo. We found her chained to a wall, lying on a mattress. She had been shaved all over her body.
If a man walked near her, she would turn herself around, present herself, and start gyrating and going through the motions. She was being used as a sex slave…….
You could choose a human if you preferred, but it was a novelty for many of the men to have sex with an orangutan.(End)
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2007/11/if_turning_an_o

On the other hand we have, (Excerpt) “You’ll have to buy me dinner first.”
Female orangutans (Pongo sp) have come up with a way to assess the temperament of potential mates before making a commitment. Food sharing between adults is not common for orangutans; however, when it does occur it is most likely to be a male sharing his food with a sexually receptive female. Just why might this occur? Male orangutans can be coercive and violent, specifically when it comes to sexual relations. Females must therefore have a method by which to gain some knowledge about the males’ disposition before she selects him as a mating partner…..

The only females that actively solicited food from males were sexually active and available, suggesting that the food-taking behavior serves a function in the selection of a potential mate…..

Primate females may be the only females in the animal kingdom that utilize the food sharing behavior of potential mates as a method by which to assess his appropriateness. Males, take note: females are at work utilizing their powers of intuition in order to assess whether you might make an appropriate partner, sexual or otherwise. You don’t always need to share your fries…but if you don’t you are running the risk of losing a mate based on your unwillingness to do so. Despite the fact that we could easily obtain fries of our own, we want some of yours. Deal with it. (End)
http://carinbondar.com/2011/09/youll-have-to-buy-me-dinner-first/

It appears humans have adopted a few orangutan traits.

Finally, what some believe is arguably just as important, Orangutans do housework.

Very interesting, but the correct answer was: An offspring called BAA-AA-SIL.

 

[dixon76710]

Is the only reason for marriage procreation?

Should infertal couples be allowed to marry?

The reason for governmental licensing and regulating of marriage is the potential of procreation. We dont know which couples will procreate, but we do know that all who do will exclusively be heterosexual couples.

§ 160.204. PRESUMPTION OF PATERNITY. (a) A man is
presumed to be the father of a child if:
(1) he is married to the mother of the child and the
child is born during the marriage;

What would be the reason for the form of marriage you prefer? Sex?

 

[Jarod]

There are thousands of reasons for marriage.

Married couples, regardless of if they have offspring, enjoy many legal rights and benefits unmarried couples do not enjoy. Tax, ownership of property, in Florida certian types of asset protection, hospital visitation, end of life decisions, intestate inhertance, and many others....

 

[dixon76710]

There are thousands of reasons for marriage.

Married couples, regardless of if they have offspring, enjoy many legal rights and benefits unmarried couples do not enjoy. Tax, ownership of property, in Florida certian types of asset protection, hospital visitation, end of life decisions, intestate inhertance, and many others....

Those are effects of marriage, not the reasons for them. All geared toward the formation of stable homes. Stable homes to benefit both the children and a spouse who spends much of their adult life in the home, providing and caring for children, not out earning an income.

 

[Jarod]

Those are effects of marriage, not the reasons for them. All geared toward the formation of stable homes. Stable homes to benefit both the children and a spouse who spends much of their adult life in the home, providing and caring for children, not out earning an income.

Then why are they afforded to those who cannot or do not have children?

 

[dixon76710]

Then why are they afforded to those who cannot or do not have children?

Because we dont know which couples will have children. We do know that all who do will exclusively be heterosexual couples. As well, the majority of pregnancies are unplanned. Occuring among heterosexual couples who had no intention of procreating. Their marriages prior to procreation help increase the liklihood that the children will have the benefit of both their mother and father in the home to provide and care for them.

 

[apple0154]

(Originally Posted by Jarod) There are thousands of reasons for marriage.

Married couples, regardless of if they have offspring, enjoy many legal rights and benefits unmarried couples do not enjoy. Tax, ownership of property, in Florida certian types of asset protection, hospital visitation, end of life decisions, intestate inhertance, and many others....

Those are effects of marriage, not the reasons for them. All geared toward the formation of stable homes. Stable homes to benefit both the children and a spouse who spends much of their adult life in the home, providing and caring for children, not out earning an income.

I beg to differ. Hospital visitation and end of life decisions were precisely the reasons I married.

I used to make a yearly winter excursion from the Great White North via I-95 to Florida. After following the Terri Schiavo fiasco and becoming aware of certain, shall I say "religious", States I would pass through on my journey I wanted to make sure my wife was the ONLY person legally permitted to speak for me and that included NO "heroic" measures to keep me alive. While my partner had that right in the jurisdiction in which we live we were aware not all jurisdictions operate the same way. Furthermore, we intend to visit a number of European countries and we didn't want to deal with the possibility they may have archaic laws so, yes, hospital visitation and end of life decisions are very valid reasons for marriage.

 

[Jarod]

Because we dont know which couples will have children. We do know that all who do will exclusively be heterosexual couples. As well, the majority of pregnancies are unplanned. Occuring among heterosexual couples who had no intention of procreating. Their marriages prior to procreation help increase the liklihood that the children will have the benefit of both their mother and father in the home to provide and care for them.

Maybe we should not let people get married unless they first get pregnant.... or give birth.

 

[dixon76710]

I beg to differ. Hospital visitation and end of life decisions were precisely the reasons I married.

Two completely different issues. Why individuals choose to marry and why government licenses and regulates marriage.

 

[dixon76710]

Maybe we should not let people get married unless they first get pregnant.... or give birth.

Unfortunately, some men wont want to marry after the woman becomes pregnant. Thats why its important to get the agreement and legal obligations in place before procreation occurs. As well, unfortunately, sometimes women dont know who the father is.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

should they? does allowing them to marry diminish the "sanctity" of "traditional" marriage?

I presume you mean these people would be engaging in traditional marriage and not homosexual relations? Aside from that, I think it depends on circumstance, if they lied about their age, for instance... then no. If they are on death row for murder, it's a moot point. Adulterer's, sure why not? But that brings me to the question... when have homosexuals not been permitted to have traditional marriages?