Demo's attacking the military right to vote....AGAIN!


Wrong, imbecile. You're supposed to point out the lies in THIS article:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...o-restrict-military-voting-in-ohio/?mobile=nc

Here are some more to choose from....


http://newsbusters.org/media-places/thinkprogress

Podesta has never been an honest person, and Soros? Well we all know what his deal is.

The rest of your newsbusters crap is irrelevant. No one cares about your parrot OPINION. It's the FACTS you know that determine your credibility here.
 
Here's one good example:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...ess-falsely-claims-global-warming-melted-stre

Here are some more to choose from....


http://newsbusters.org/media-places/thinkprogress

Podesta has never been an honest person, and Soros? Well we all know what his deal is.

UN-fortunately, this discussion isn't about Global Warming, but about The FACT that Democrats aren't suing to block early voting by Military members in Ohio, they are suing to have the SAME early voting rights restored to ALL OHIOANS...the same Ohioans that Ohio Republicans think so little of they took away their early voting rights last year.

Ohio’s Republican-controlled legislature last year enacted new voting restrictions that prevented most voters from casting early ballots after the Friday before the election. Members of the military, however, had their rights preserved, giving them until Monday to vote.


For some reason, no one seems to want to address that point.
 
UN-fortunately, this discussion isn't about Global Warming, but about The FACT that Democrats aren't suing to block early voting by Military members in Ohio, they are suing to have the SAME early voting rights restored to ALL OHIOANS...the same Ohioans that Ohio Republicans think so little of they took away their early voting rights last year.


The question was for me to demonstrate why thinkprogress is a dishonest source to use, and I did. As to what you believe about this suit, you need to ask yourself, why is it if the goal is to equalize absentee voting time frames for all Ohioans then ask yourself why it is that they are pushing back the Military vote, and not trying to increase the civilian vote? Nah, sorry Zappa, this demo party line doesn't hold water.

Ohio’s Republican-controlled legislature last year enacted new voting restrictions that prevented most voters from casting early ballots after the Friday before the election. Members of the military, however, had their rights preserved, giving them until Monday to vote.


For some reason, no one seems to want to address that point.

Then the suit should be in moving the date for everyone back to Monday no? Instead it is to limit the Military vote back to Friday....Why is that do you think?
 
Oh, thinkprogress, and demounderground say so? Well, that changes everything.....NOT! What would make you think that I would believe your propaganda?
Look, you've just been nailed usiting a citation that turned out to be a lie. Can you say "I have no credibility."?

Cause you don't in this discussion. That's what happens when you lie pal.
 
Look, you've just been nailed usiting a citation that turned out to be a lie. Can you say "I have no credibility."?

Cause you don't in this discussion. That's what happens when you lie pal.

It's not the first time, either. That's probably why lil mac was banned from the last forum he was on.
 
The question was for me to demonstrate why thinkprogress is a dishonest source to use, and I did. As to what you believe about this suit, you need to ask yourself, why is it if the goal is to equalize absentee voting time frames for all Ohioans then ask yourself why it is that they are pushing back the Military vote, and not trying to increase the civilian vote? Nah, sorry Zappa, this demo party line doesn't hold water.



Then the suit should be in moving the date for everyone back to Monday no? Instead it is to limit the Military vote back to Friday....Why is that do you think?


Cite some evidence showing the suit is attempting to limit military voting...
 
Then the suit should be in moving the date for everyone back to Monday no? Instead it is to limit the Military vote back to Friday....Why is that do you think?


It is about moving the date for EVERYONE back to Monday...you are just having trouble admitting as much.

"The lawsuit filed by the Obama campaign clearly states what it seeks: "Plaintiffs bring this lawsuit to restore in-person early voting for all Ohioans during the three days prior to Election Day."

The lawsuit uses the word "restore" because Ohio had expanded early voting after the 2004 election. Last year, the Republican-controlled legislature passed laws that eliminated voting during the three days prior to the election, except for military families and voters overseas."

Go see for yourself:


http://www.ohio.com/polopoly_fs/1.320868.1342553549!/menu/standard/file/OFA Complaint as Filed.pdf


The facts are right there on page one...
 
Overseas troops often find it difficult to vote. For one thing, they can’t just drop their rifle and mail in their ballot especially if they’re stationed in a war zone, which is pretty much the entire Middle East. And not only that, since every state has a different law regarding absentee ballots, filling them out properly can be confusing. And if they don’t arrive in the States in time, they can’t be legally counted. During the last presidential election, only 20 percent of a 2.5 million-member military were able to vote successfully by absentee ballot. Just two years ago, it dropped to 5 percent. This is why some states have laws that accommodate members of the military. Ohio has a law that allows three extra days for them to mail in their early voting ballots. The Obama campaign, the DNC and the Ohio Democratic Party have filed suit against Ohio because they say this law “disenfranchises” other voters and that it’s not “fair.”

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/08/obama-campaign-wages-war-on-troops/#ixzz22o3NSERF
 
Overseas troops often find it difficult to vote. For one thing, they can’t just drop their rifle and mail in their ballot especially if they’re stationed in a war zone, which is pretty much the entire Middle East. And not only that, since every state has a different law regarding absentee ballots, filling them out properly can be confusing. And if they don’t arrive in the States in time, they can’t be legally counted. During the last presidential election, only 20 percent of a 2.5 million-member military were able to vote successfully by absentee ballot. Just two years ago, it dropped to 5 percent. This is why some states have laws that accommodate members of the military. Ohio has a law that allows three extra days for them to mail in their early voting ballots. The Obama campaign, the DNC and the Ohio Democratic Party have filed suit against Ohio because they say this law “disenfranchises” other voters and that it’s not “fair.”

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/08/obama-campaign-wages-war-on-troops/#ixzz22o3NSERF
Seems to me, the fix is pretty simple.

That is, in a state that doesn't have a republican legislature.
 
Overseas troops often find it difficult to vote. For one thing, they can’t just drop their rifle and mail in their ballot especially if they’re stationed in a war zone, which is pretty much the entire Middle East. And not only that, since every state has a different law regarding absentee ballots, filling them out properly can be confusing. And if they don’t arrive in the States in time, they can’t be legally counted. During the last presidential election, only 20 percent of a 2.5 million-member military were able to vote successfully by absentee ballot. Just two years ago, it dropped to 5 percent. This is why some states have laws that accommodate members of the military. Ohio has a law that allows three extra days for them to mail in their early voting ballots. The Obama campaign, the DNC and the Ohio Democratic Party have filed suit against Ohio because they say this law “disenfranchises” other voters and that it’s not “fair.”

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/08/obama-campaign-wages-war-on-troops/#ixzz22o3NSERF


Understood...you think a certain segment of the population should get "special rights" that others in this country don't get...
 
Cite some evidence showing the suit is attempting to limit military voting...

I'll post a good explanation of what I am going on here:

Numerous military veterans groups have expressed consternation over a recent lawsuit filed by Obama for America as well as the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party against the Ohio Secretary of State over early voting in Ohio. They are right to be concerned.

The lawsuit is over a series of election bills passed by the state legislature that imposed a deadline for early voting for most voters of the Friday before election day. This makes perfect sense, because it allows election officials time to update their records of who has voted to ensure no one who voted early is able to vote again on election day.

However, Ohio still allows the relatively small number of voters qualified under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA) to vote early through the end of the day before the election. The essence of the Obama campaign’s complaint is that providing any extra time to such a special class of voters is “arbitrary and capricious” and therefore a violation of the Equal Protection Clause. The lawsuit demands that all other voters be given the same extension.

UOCAVA is a federal law passed in 1986 that guarantees the right of members of the military and overseas American civilians to vote by absentee ballot in federal elections. It was passed because of the horrendously high disenfranchisement rate of military voters, which is caused by the unpredictability of military life and military deployments. UOCAVA was amended in 2009 to require states to mail out requested absentee ballots to members of the military at least 45 days prior to election day because of the long delays in overseas mail service, particularly in war zones like Afghanistan.
Regular voters have the ability to vote by absentee ballot in all states, and many also allow in-person early voting prior to election day. But civilian voters in the continental U.S. simply do not have the unforeseen problems faced by military voters. Many members of the military don’t know where they will be a week from now, let alone three or four months from now. This is especially true for those services running high-tempo operations—they are here today and gone tomorrow. A lot of military personnel who are deployed may come home for some brief R&R and having those few extra days before the election—especially over the weekend—may make a big difference in their ability to vote.

Contrary to the claims being made by the Obama re-election campaign, there is no comparison between the average resident of Ohio who knows he may be on a business trip on election day, and therefore should vote by absentee ballot or vote early, and a Marine who is suddenly given orders to deploy to Helmand province or is ordered on a field exercise with little advance notice.

Another good example is Air Force reserve pilots at Wright-Patterson AFB where the 445th Airlift Wing is located. Those pilots may be flying missions all over the country and, by virtue of that service, may be away from their residences on election day. Even though they are reservists, they are on active duty when they fly these missions and qualify to vote under UOCAVA. The extra days may be the only time they can exercise their franchise.

Contrary to the claims of the Obama campaign, there is nothing wrong with giving military voters extra time to vote. As already demonstrated, men and women in our armed forces have unique obstacles to exercising their franchise that are in place because of the exigencies of military service. It is neither arbitrary nor capricious to ameliorate those government-imposed obstacles. This is particularly true when one looks at the shockingly low participation rates of military voters, which is currently as severe as any in our nation’s history, including the low participation rate that led to the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to strike down barriers to voting for black Americans.

In 2008, when election turnout was the highest since the 1964 election at almost 62 percent, the U.S. Election Assistance Commission reported that only 5.5 percent of the eligible military and overseas voters under UOCAVA cast ballots that were counted. This compares unfavorably to historically low voter participation rates.

The Obama campaign is not just wrong on policy here—it is also wrong on the law. The courts have already held that it is not a violation of the Equal Protection Clause for states to treat UOCAVA voters differently than other voters.

In Igartua De La Rosa v. U.S. (1995), residents of Puerto Rico brought a lawsuit claiming that UOCAVA’s differing treatment of voters violated the Equal Protection Clause and was unconstitutional. The First Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed the claim, concluding that Congress had rational reasons for providing extra help to UOCAVA voters. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals issued a similar ruling in 2001 in Romeu v. Cohen. In fact, the Supreme Court in McDonald v. Board of Election Comm’rs (1969) upheld absentee voting statutes that were “designed to make voting more available to some groups who cannot easily get to the poll,” without making voting more available to all such groups. None of these cases are mentioned in the motion for a temporary restraining order filed by the plaintiffs.

Ohio has a rational and practical reason to provide members of the military, many of whom put their lives on the line for us every day, extra time to vote. This is not arbitrary, capricious, or somehow unfair to other voters. And it has a perfectly rational reason related to election administration to end early voting for other Ohio voters three days before election day. The courts should rule against Obama and the DNC to ensure that those who defend and serve will have every opportunity to vote in November.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/06/keeping-the-military-from-voting-in-ohio/

Here is also a link to the actual filed injunctions in the suit.

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/ObamaForAmericaVHusted.php

They seem to be saying that the military doesn't have any reason to be treated differently than normal citizens, and because of the need to verify that those voting by absentee ballot in the normal citizenry do not go and vote again on election day, the three day buffer in early voting seems to be a rational time frame, but Obama in arguing that no difference exists between military, or civilian voting here would be taking away the extra time to vote for military.
 
I'll post a good explanation of what I am going on here:



Here is also a link to the actual filed injunctions in the suit.

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/ObamaForAmericaVHusted.php

They seem to be saying that the military doesn't have any reason to be treated differently than normal citizens, and because of the need to verify that those voting by absentee ballot in the normal citizenry do not go and vote again on election day, the three day buffer in early voting seems to be a rational time frame, but Obama in arguing that no difference exists between military, or civilian voting here would be taking away the extra time to vote for military.


Once again, what you claim isn't quite the truth, is it?

Obama isn't trying to take away anything from the military...he's merely trying to restore to ALL OHIOANS what the REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE took away. That everyone have the same time frame in which to vote.
 
Once again, what you claim isn't quite the truth, is it?

Obama isn't trying to take away anything from the military...he's merely trying to restore to ALL OHIOANS what the REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE took away. That everyone have the same time frame in which to vote.


In doing such, two things will occur here.

1. The military will not have the extra three days to get their ballots in. Meaning that Obama is limiting the military voting time.

2. Do you believe that it is necessary to ensure that people don't vote twice, once with absentee, and once in person?

See, it is transparent what is going on here, but twisting, and distorting the outcomes of this doesn't hide the aim.
 
In doing such, two things will occur here.

1. The military will not have the extra three days to get their ballots in. Meaning that Obama is limiting the military voting time.

2. Do you believe that it is necessary to ensure that people don't vote twice, once with absentee, and once in person?

See, it is transparent what is going on here, but twisting, and distorting the outcomes of this doesn't hide the aim.


Whats going on here is that you continue to claim that Obama wants all absentee voting, including the military, curtailed after the Friday before the election...which is just untrue.

He wants ALL ABSENTEE VOTERS, like those in the military, to be able to have their vote counted until Monday before the election.
 
Whats going on here is that you continue to claim that Obama wants all absentee voting, including the military, curtailed after the Friday before the election...which is just untrue.

He wants ALL ABSENTEE VOTERS, like those in the military, to be able to have their vote counted until Monday before the election.

Which I have already pointed out will not happen. The only parity is to have it end the Friday before due to the need to protect the integrity of the civilian vote. You know that, which is one reason I could cynically say that Obama wants cheating.
 
Which I have already pointed out will not happen. The only parity is to have it end the Friday before due to the need to protect the integrity of the civilian vote. You know that, which is one reason I could cynically say that Obama wants cheating.

I'm sorry, but I've been looking and I'm having no luck finding any hard evidence that indicates the integrity of the civilian vote in Ohio is under attack.

This was nothing but an attempt by the Right to give the military, which historically has voted Republican more often than not, more time to vote, while freezing out the rank and file voter.
 
I'm sorry, but I've been looking and I'm having no luck finding any hard evidence that indicates the integrity of the civilian vote in Ohio is under attack.

This was nothing but an attempt by the Right to give the military, which historically has voted Republican more often than not, more time to vote, while freezing out the rank and file voter.


So you don't believe that the military should be extended additional time to vote?
 
So you don't believe that the military should be extended additional time to vote?

In other words, do they deserve "special rights"?

No.

they knew the risks when they joined...now they want special rights that ordinary Americas aren't afforded.
 
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